The solution being to roll the flat left wrist through impact.......overtaking without bending! The move that Yoda says "will take you immediately to the next level". "Why? Because thats where The Golfing Machine LIVES , thats why" My favourite Yoda quote and video of all time.
Having a lot of trouble with this move, anybody have any suggestions on how to do this? My left elbow always wants to chicken wing.
That depends on the shot at hand and personal preference. The right elbow in putting will cross at a different time than when driving. A high shot will have an earlier release point. But I know you are probably referring to a driver, maximum release delay so......... In front of the hip, assumes Pitch Elbow, a swingers move, like say Ben Hogan. His elbow was in front of his hip at about his Release point or when the club was about parallel to the ground.
If the question really is "how does the elbow got there?" Then we are dealing with a really big topic. A life long quest perhaps, which relates, I think to 6-M-1 The Downstroke Sequence and The Gear Train 6-C-0. for instance.
In brief the Accumulators release sequence for the swinger would normally be 4,2,3. The Gear Train would have the feet pull the knees , the knees pull the hips, the hips pull the shoulders , the shoulders pull the arms, the arms pull the hands, the hands pull the club. All under the direction of the brain and its sensory outpost the hands, "Hands to Pivot".
So the Pivot acts as a Gear Train that effectively extends the radius of the Stroke to the Feet. 6-C-0. To break the sequential chain at any one point is to shorten the radius from ball to that break point. Shortening the Radius with a corresponding loss of power and precision. Remember that it is power and precision that Yoda offers to his students......this may be what he is referring to. The pull of the golf strokes components into a straight line via Centrifugal Force. A coordinated, balanced and sequenced use of the whole body for the full power swing. Lagging components accelerating past their slowing leading components sequentially.
The short answer would be to first research and then do some "Downstroke Waggles" in front of mirror with this picture in mind. Bump left then take your Right Shoulder down plane towards the ball, with the butt end of the shaft pointing at the Base Line. Take things all the way down to where the right elbow crosses in front of your hip and you'll look like a pro with lots of bent right arm left. A super late release.
This photo really shows off some of Homers biggest insights. It might be my favourite Hogan photo. You can see the sequence of his Startdown. Look at his still cleared right hip, even though it must have pulled the shoulders to some degree, Gear Train. To do this the right hip must have been turned even further back in Startup. Another nail in the coffin of X factor, which would see a frozen right hip break in the Radius at the hips in addition to creating a Round Housing situation with a right elbow , right hip conflict, collision course.
My third lesson with Yoda. I get to the swamp early to practice some chipping and alignments. Readying myself for the teachers eye I dutifully get to both arms straight with a flat left , bent right wrist combo, the left hand and club face remaining perpendicular to the basic plane of my choice. Horizontal , vertical, angled. I had it down. Yoda drives past the chipping green in his red Jaguar waiving. Getting out of his car he points at me and slaps his firm left hand in approval of my display of alignments. All is good right? Ill chip with him blissfully for hours right? Wrong.
"Follow me" says Lynn and we head over to a split rail fence that he wants me to hit over with little 10 foot, sky high flops from total motion. Totally undoing the somewhat rigid set of wrists I had achieved over a winters worth of practice at an indoor dome in Canada. I struggled badly until I let go of the tension , got more rope handle ish and most importantly added a Throw. Some of the balls I hit may never be found in the woods of Marietta.
The lesson, I think, was that impact alignments are not ideally achieved via tension. Golf is a motion, hitting or swinging. A journey from Address to Top to Finish. Yoda was looking for me to achieve my impact hands dynamically, freely while on the way through the three stations. The right hand is not held in a bent position in a wooden manner, nor is it fired.
The Finish Swivel is the bridge between Follow Through and Finish and apparently somewhat of an acid test for a golfers total motion. You start in Basic, move to Acquired but then you have to deal with the Release Swivel and all it implies to what proceeded it.......you cant pass this test without freedom of movement in your hands. The right wrist does flatten but freely, briefly, on its own as opposed to actively. (Unless you are doing it for a specific short shot say with intentional throwaway a 10-3-J type flop shot say that we see the pros doing around the green on tv. But that was like lesson 7 with Yoda)
This I think this is exactly where my progression is at or stalled. I have questions as of late ties into this. So for swinging, is there any right arm or PP#3 possibly at or through impact? It feels right for hitting to me, but for swinging to achieve bent right wrist and w/ the intention of not releasing accumlator #1 right arm driving until after impact feels like holding on to me? Is swinging solely dependant upon CF to take the clubhead through to finish swivel as would be a freed motion as you stated? I just cant see how you can swing and stress shaft at impact w/ allowing such freedom of movement. If i do that i feel I am trying to lift the ball which seems counter intuitive to the concept of 3D impact. I hope this made some sense. The fog is thick...
That depends on the shot at hand and personal preference. The right elbow in putting will cross at a different time than when driving. A high shot will have an earlier release point. But I know you are probably referring to a driver, maximum release delay so......... In front of the hip, assumes Pitch Elbow, a swingers move, like say Ben Hogan. His elbow was in front of his hip at about his Release point or when the club was about parallel to the ground.
If the question really is "how does the elbow got there?" Then we are dealing with a really big topic. A life long quest perhaps, which relates, I think to 6-M-1 The Downstroke Sequence and The Gear Train 6-C-0. for instance.
In brief the Accumulators release sequence for the swinger would normally be 4,2,3. The Gear Train would have the feet pull the knees , the knees pull the hips, the hips pull the shoulders , the shoulders pull the arms, the arms pull the hands, the hands pull the club. All under the direction of the brain and its sensory outpost the hands, "Hands to Pivot".
So the Pivot acts as a Gear Train that effectively extends the radius of the Stroke to the Feet. 6-C-0. To break the sequential chain at any one point is to shorten the radius from ball to that break point. Shortening the Radius with a corresponding loss of power and precision. Remember that it is power and precision that Yoda offers to his students......this may be what he is referring to. The pull of the golf strokes components into a straight line via Centrifugal Force. A coordinated, balanced and sequenced use of the whole body for the full power swing. Lagging components accelerating past their slowing leading components sequentially.
The short answer would be to first research and then do some "Downstroke Waggles" in front of mirror with this picture in mind. Bump left then take your Right Shoulder down plane towards the ball, with the butt end of the shaft pointing at the Base Line. Take things all the way down to where the right elbow crosses in front of your hip and you'll look like a pro with lots of bent right arm left. A super late release.
This photo really shows off some of Homers biggest insights. It might be my favourite Hogan photo.
This I think this is exactly where my progression is at or stalled. I have questions as of late ties into this. So for swinging, is there any right arm or PP#3 possibly at or through impact?
The right arm provides structure at the very least. Homer said something like "the mystery of golf fades away when right arm participation is understood". Sorry dont have book with me right now to get this right.
Not sure what you mean exactly when you refer to PP#3. To my mind PP#3 senses Lag and Lag should be present in all strokes unless you are intentionally throwing lag away. Even then it is there and it Throw Away is monitored, timed, regulated. If Lag is the secret to golf, its associated Pressure Point is monitored for all shots.
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It feels right for hitting to me, but for swinging to achieve bent right wrist and w/ the intention of not releasing accumlator #1 right arm driving until after impact feels like holding on to me?
Hmm. Sounds like holding on too. Or perhaps steering. Remember even when Swinging, #1 is released, but passively as opposed to actively. You sound very right side oriented, that is good thing I believe, Hitting or Swinging. I like right handed people playing right handed golf.
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Is swinging solely dependant upon CF to take the clubhead through to finish swivel as would be a freed motion as you stated? I just cant see how you can swing and stress shaft at impact w/ allowing such freedom of movement. If i do that i feel I am trying to lift the ball which seems counter intuitive to the concept of 3D impact. I hope this made some sense. The fog is thick...
No. Swinging that is solely dependent upon CF is referred to as "Pure" Swinging. Manipulated Hand Swinging is a slight over riding of CF and therefore not "solely" dependent upon CF. I was describing an intentional throwaway type shot that Yoda was trying to teach me, a 10-J-3 type shot where the left arm pauses and the clubhead scoots past the hands creating a tremendous amount of club face layback through the shot. Very similar to your observations above but by design. Basically the diametric opposite of an axe handle, hitting procedure that takes things to both arms straight in a wooden fashion. Yoda was giving me an educated hands exam, I think, that covered both ends of the spectrum. Axe Handle vs Rope Handle. Both Arms Straight at Follow Through vs Active Throwaway during the impact interval.
It sounds to me like you are describing a Pure Swinging procedure that sees the clubhead pass the hands prior to Follow Through (edit), both arms straight. The solution often being to add some further acceleration to the Power Package via the Pivot or a Throw Out Action of some kind so that the clubhead doesnt pass the Hands until after Follow Through. Its an Overtaking Timing thing. Best fixed by maintaining the rate of acceleration of the Power Package which will delay the overtaking rather than trying to hold off the overtaking.
Question for those in the know. Can you employ a Throw and still be Pure Swinging? Im thinking no, but might be wrong. Sasq, we all share the Fog, it isnt yours or mine but ours.
It does meet the definition of an acc... but when used can diminish ideal impact alignments. It is also throwaway, which kills impact conditions, but is defined as something that reduces speed.
Can it really reduce speed if released an amount not reaching a flat right wrist?
And if the RFFW was held past seperation. has this club come up short of its full potential?
The reason these guys do it is because most are taught to use left arm delivery lines which goes with a flip release. They have no other choice but to "flatten the right wrist" quickly because that is what goes with there delivery line. They would spray it everywhere if they tried anything else.
Seems to me that if you use a flip release or flatten
the right wrist that you loose pressure point #1
and therefor loose much the use of the #1 accumulator
(the right arm). Can you use the right arm, swinging or
hitting without the #1 pressure point?
You can use the #3 pressure point for Extensor Action which has the effect of not only pulling the inert left arm straight but also pushing and extending the club shaft.
You do have to guard against loss of the right wrist bend.
Using Extensor Action with PP#3 alone to power a hitting stroke feels like using a tight right forefinger/thumb grip.
I don't believe that flattening the right wrist would relieve PP#1 otherwise as you're pushing the base of the palm against the left thumb.
A Flip release in TGM (10-24-F) does not mean bending the left wrist. It's a different definition of the term.
It's the pivot-controlled hands swinging procedure.
Flattening the right wrist destroys the Flying Wedges, the accumulator #3 control, the hinge action and thus the Rhythm of the stroke, makes clubface control erratic and results in power leakage.
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