Never resolved. Two seperate Zones of Motion, but simultaneous and synchronous.
yep . . . .geometry too though . . . . slide and also distance the hands have to travel . . . . thinking of a right triangle . . . . there is more vertical in the upright planes so the hands have to move down faster to stay on plane via #4 & #1 too right?
I could be way off on this but let me add something to this discussion. Would the length of the club have any bearing on this. Take two players, one standing and one kneeling, both with the same length clubshaft. Which player would require more axis tilt in order to get the right shoulder to move downplane?
Was this ever resolved? Why more hip slide for a flatter plane? I would have guessed the other way around given the 1970's swings of yesteryear. Johnny Miller for example.
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Flatter plane works optimal with 2nd tilt happening later ( with more hip slide/ tailbone release)
The Practically Mandatory, in both directions, Combinations for procedures and delivery lines says:
1. The visual true arc and orbiting clubhead line with Circle Path.
2. The visual angle of approach line with drag loading.
3. The basic aiming point line with drive loading.
4. The left arm swing plane line, flip release. (pivot-controlled procedure) (The first I'd heard of this left arm swing plane line.)
And then it says,
"Drive loading calls for the angle of approach."
"Drag loading calls for the arc of approach.....which requires circle path."
(It says nothing about axis tilt enabling the line paths and the angle of approach delivery line, making it an option for drag loading.)
So the listing of Combinations and the discussions of lag loading characteristic combinations are conflicting.
Usually we say swingers use arc of approach, hitters use angle of approach and either can use Aiming Point or trace the basic geometric plane line.
Comments on the apparent Notes conflict? Mistranscribed, or updated in further revision?
Also, what is the significance of the clubhead moving above plane with momentum after impact with the angle of approach for swinging?
That's apparently been omitted in the 7th edition.
What compensation is required? Automatic? Is it a drawback?
And then it says,
"Drive loading calls for the angle of approach."
"Drag loading calls for the arc of approach.....which requires circle path."
Non-Pivot Strokes.
Quote:
7-23...The Circle Path of the Hands is mandatory for all Non-Pivot Strokes (6-L-0) whether Hitting or Swinging (7-19). The “Axis Tilt” (2-H) allows Line Delivery Path but does not require it.
Quote:
10-14-A STANDARD The Standard Hip Turn (of any length) is a free turn in both directions with a weight shift in both directions. During Circle Path Delivery (7-23) use the Turning Hip to carry the Right Elbow around into a Release position for a Trigger Delay Control procedure (7-20).
4. The left arm swing plane line, flip release. (pivot-controlled procedure) (The first I'd heard of this left arm swing plane line.)
See 10-6-D / Turning Shoulder Plane / '-B Version' (Vertical Left Arm Swing Plane).
Here:
The arms hang at Address and move in a simple back-and-forth up-and-down straight line path while utilizing the Throw-Out Action of Accumulator #3 [Left Arm and Clubshaft Angle] to 'flip' the Club 'on plane' past the Hands at The Top and 'in-line' with the Hands at Impact.
As always, remember that the selected Plane Angle (and its Base Line) is independent of the employed Release (10 / A-F).
"Also, what is the significance of the clubhead moving above plane with momentum after impact with the angle of approach for swinging?
That's apparently been omitted in the 7th edition.
What compensation is required? Automatic? Is it a drawback?"
Linear Mode
