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Old 10-18-2009, 08:08 AM
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Burley,

You won't stop steering and this is the Result.



The #1 Alignment is the Flat Left Wrist. Without this, every other component adjustment is a waste of time.

Read the EdZ Drills. Watch Yodas Finish Swivel Video Again.

Uncock the Left Wrist into the Ball. Do Not Roll, Do Not Swivel, do not pass Go. If you don't Uncock directly into the Aft Quadrant of the Ball, you will go directly to Jail.
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:39 AM
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Burley,

You won't stop steering and this is the Result.



The #1 Alignment is the Flat Left Wrist. Without this, every other component adjustment is a waste of time.

Read the EdZ Drills. Watch Yodas Finish Swivel Video Again.

Uncock the Left Wrist into the Ball. Do Not Roll, Do Not Swivel, do not pass Go. If you don't Uncock directly into the Aft Quadrant of the Ball, you will go directly to Jail.

Daryl - Its noot to my suprise to find that you are right but! That swing is from almost a month ago and I have achieved so much since then. I will put up a new face on Monday, big difference.

The left wrist only needs to be flat @ impact or slightly bowed. Once the ball has been fully compressed and the club enter's the ground it does not matter what happens next. As Hogan's core turned hard after impact the hands worked left and inside. In Homers first book he based it off the the Geometry of Hogan's swing, so were is Hogan holding a right arm flying wedge after low point, since he plays his ball at low point? 4 Barrel hitter, 2-M-3 is more of what I am trying to achieve.

I have made many changes over the last month, I only started this little project on Sept. 21st 2009 and have had 23 or 24 days of practice for 1 1/2 to 2 hours each sesson. In my mind and what I see I have made drastic improvements, and challenge anyone to make the same improvements in this time frame with light practice. I could already play before, I played and chased the tour around for several years. Now, I am rebuilding to maybe give it one more shot, maybe. Even now my scores are good and hitting the ball perfect is the least of my worries on the golf course. My wedge game from 140 yards and in and my putting are my legs, the rest of what I am working on now is to find "Harmony".
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Old 10-18-2009, 01:01 PM
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Burley, you mentioned playing the ball at or near Low Point. I know you hit a lot off of mats as do I in the winter. During those months my ball position for mid irons , short irons sneaks up in my stance towards Low Point. I start to Flip it too. From Lynn I have learned that these are all subconscious Machine Adjustments being made to protect my left wrist on the hard artificial turf. Im subconsciously taking out the Down and therefor the Out. When I get on grass after being indoors for a while I notice Im not able to take divots. I can get a little slidey too with a saggy left knee. Its all the due to the dang mats, I think.

This year Im going to buy a little strip of the mats that VJ Sing endorses on this site. Cant remember the name. But I called the supplier and they have a strip that is designed to fit into the hitting area on the mats I use. About 4' x 18" or so.

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Old 10-18-2009, 01:11 PM
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Know what you mean about Hogan and the Right Arm being on plane at address. But in that photo of him above, you'll notice a shag boy out in the distance , right at the top of the Shaft Plane line you drew. That is his target. As such the camera is set up square to his foot line but his foot line, stance line is closed! Dramatically. So the camera is not square to his Plane Line or the flight of his ball.
This exaggerates the off the shaft plane look of his right arm. Not saying that is an Elbow Plane it isnt. But he isnt as far off it as he looks here.
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Old 10-18-2009, 01:32 PM
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Dear O.B. and Burley,

In TGM, an On Plane Right Forearm means Having a "Right Arm Flying Wedge" The Right Forearm and Clubshaft are on the same Plane as the Right Wrist Bend. It does not mean that the Right Forearm is ON The Swing Plane at Address or Release. The Right Forearm Wedge is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Wedge.

Furthermore, there is only one location in the Swing where the Flat Left Wrist actually Points to the Target; with 10-2-B; Low Point. Therefore the Right Forearm will only be flat against and resting on the Swing Plane at that Location. Unless you're on the Elbow Plane.

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6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).
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7-3 ... So the Right Forearm must leave – and precisely return to – its own Fix Position (7- “Angle of Approach” ...
Therefore, when the Right Forearm is at 90 degrees to the Plane line (near address or release) during the Downstroke, it does not point at the Plane Line.

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Old 10-18-2009, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BurleyGolf View Post

The left wrist only needs to be flat @ impact or slightly bowed. Once the ball has been fully compressed and the club enter's the ground it does not matter what happens next. As Hogan's core turned hard after impact the hands worked left and inside.

It does Matter. It matters a great deal. Please Allow me to explain.

We all agree that at Release, the Clubhead speeds up. It may speed up to 100 plus MPH; again, agreement. Much faster than the Hands; agreed. If you release too early, then the Clubhead will probably pass the Hands at or before the Ball is Struck if you try to Roll the Hands - agreed?. This Bends the Left Wrist, agreed. Then you have lost the Three dimensional Impact and have lost Clubhead and Clubface control. Are we in agreement? Therefore, you cannot adjust the ball flight and trajectory without gobbs of compensating manipulations. Pro's have such a hard time controlling the Ball Flight, they stick with one shot and play courses that SUIT THEIR GAME (Hackers).

If the Clubhead Passes the Hands a millisecond after Ball Separation, where you suggest does no harm, the cause began back at Release. The Clubhead is overtaking the Hands, but not with Rhythm, not with the same RPM.

You are only teaching your self to throw the clubhead and clubface. You are only learning Hand-Eye coordination.

Hogans core turned hard after Impact??????? Gibberish. NO MORE SO than any good golf swing would - as an automatic result of an On Plane Impact on the Elbow Plane. If you think otherwise, then you're listening to those Voodoo Witch Doctors on the Left Coast.

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Old 10-18-2009, 05:31 PM
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Burley are you referring "Swinging Left"or the Hands "cutting" Left? Id like to point out that Homer would agree the hands do , post low point move Forward, Up and IN. Homers "IN" being another mans "Left". This is a geometric truth. But the thing that is missing in the Swinging Left or the Cutting Left thing is the alignment to the Plane. You can swing left and be on plane or off. Homer wanted us to swing our hands or more correctly our Pressure Points On Plane and when doing so they will go left, for sure.

The term "cutting" left or to lesser extent "swinging" left has an implied direction to the golfers force that is well just Plane wrong to my mind. Per 1-L-10. Post Low Point , though the Hands are indeed traveling Forward, Up and In (left) the Force which is applied to the club through the Pressure Points is directed Forward, Down and Out towards the Plane Line. Any attempt to "cut" or "swing" the hands or the pressure points Left is to direct the Force OFF PLANE.

Alignments again. And Force. Geometry and Physics. Feel vs Reel. This concept is one of the truly HUGE benefits of TGM. Homer wanted us to Thrust DOWN and OUT towards the Plane Line while maintaining a bent Right Hand. The other side of the Flat Left wrist. How bent? To the degree established at Fix , per the shot at hand.
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Old 10-18-2009, 06:53 PM
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It does Matter. It matters a great deal. Please Allow me to explain.

We all agree that at Release, the Clubhead speeds up. It may speed up to 100 plus MPH; again, agreement. Much faster than the Hands; agreed. If you release too early, then the Clubhead will probably pass the Hands at or before the Ball is Struck if you try to Roll the Hands - agreed?. This Bends the Left Wrist, agreed. Then you have lost the Three dimensional Impact and have lost Clubhead and Clubface control. Are we in agreement? Therefore, you cannot adjust the ball flight and trajectory without gobbs of compensating manipulations. Pro's have such a hard time controlling the Ball Flight, they stick with one shot and play courses that SUIT THEIR GAME (Hackers).

If the Clubhead Passes the Hands a millisecond after Ball Separation, where you suggest does no harm, the cause began back at Release. The Clubhead is overtaking the Hands, but not with Rhythm, not with the same RPM.

You are only teaching your self to throw the clubhead and clubface. You are only learning Hand-Eye coordination.

Hogans core turned hard after Impact??????? Gibberish. NO MORE SO than any good golf swing would - as an automatic result of an On Plane Impact on the Elbow Plane. If you think otherwise, then you're listening to those Voodoo Witch Doctors on the Left Coast.

Core turn is quicker from not holding right arm wedge making hands disaper faster. Lower pivot does not release the core and makes the hands work up / left in Hogan's swing... Unlike with right arm release players who have to feel the shoulders stay back longer because of the inside arc swinging out to low point were the "LOWER PIVOT" release's the upper body to turn the core and by holding a right arm wedge it lets the club work up and left. 2 different release types.... I don't see how people can confuse this stuff!!!
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Old 10-18-2009, 08:02 PM
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Core turn is quicker from not holding right arm wedge making hands disaper faster. Lower pivot does not release the core and makes the hands work up / left in Hogan's swing... Unlike with right arm release players who have to feel the shoulders stay back longer because of the inside arc swinging out to low point were the "LOWER PIVOT" release's the upper body to turn the core and by holding a right arm wedge it lets the club work up and left. 2 different release types.... I don't see how people can confuse this stuff!!!
What book are you reading?
  1. His core turn is not any quicker than anyone else.
  2. Letting go the right Hand after Impact is not a release.

Hogan was short. About 5'1" I think (actually 5'9" in lifts). His clubs were Flattened. His hands were probably 2 feet above ground at impact(that's pretty accurate). It will look like they disappear because he swung on an almost Horizontal Plane.

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Old 10-18-2009, 10:06 PM
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It will look like they disappear because he swung on an almost Horizontal Plane.
True. Amazingly. The flatter the Plane Angle the more the On Plane Hands (Pressure Points) move In, or left post Low Point. A pure vertical plane would have no Out or In. A pure Horizontal Plane would have no Up or Down.
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