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Old 10-18-2009, 10:19 PM
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Daryl,
TGM being an "educated hands" system Homer suggested you take the #3PP straight line to the aiming point. How does this work if the the right shoulder is in control? Wouldn't you lose your #3 control?
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:38 PM
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He want be able to give you the correct answer because he is stuck on a basic pattern of the book.

Let me break it down for you Daryl, Hogan played the ball under his left arm pit but his feet were wider spread. At address Hogan Cupped the left wrist for 2 reasons 1.) it helped him align himself better and 2.) It helped him achieve the Harley move which keep the club not the hands from coming in steep! Since he played his stance so wide the slight lateral action he needed from the transition to get his left hip over his left leg changed his low point from the outside of the left foot to the inside of the left foot. Hogan's hands never continued out in a strait line past the inside of his left foot because of the right side hitting the golf ball so hard and the release of the right elbow. "AFTER" the ball was compressed the hard turn of the core and release of the right elbow moved the hands inside. This is why Hogan's "DIVOT'S" pointed / went "LEFT" with the tilted vertical plane he was on. Hogan flat or bowed left wrist was a product of the right wrist angle continuing to increase well after impact, working inside and up the plane. This action was achieved by rotation of the core and pushing with the right hand, it was basically a side arm palm strike with the right hand. Your so called knowledge has you boxed in your own mind and is limited knowledge.. 24 Component's, jillions of variations!!!!! Do you know them "all" Daryl?

Oh, Hogan was 5" 7.5 his arms were longer and about a hand height above the knee. His clubs were 6 degree's flat, the shafts are extreme stiff, the heels are grounded to set open and no chance of dig, and his grips are thick with 5 wraps and a coat hanger set as a reminder @ 5:25... The woods he played had no roll and no bulge. I watched him hit balls and talked to him in 1983 as a kid, his last round of golf was 1 1/2 yrs later and it was with Kris Tschetter. Anything else you might want to know about the man?

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Old 10-19-2009, 12:21 AM
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Did he counter balance them? Im not Tschett'n you I really want to know. Knudson's clubs where much the same and super heavy with a counter balance to get the swing weights back to normal. When I picked them up they were so heavy but after waggeling it around for a bit they felt like they'd work and just destroy the ball with their mass. They wouldnt let me hit them though.

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Old 10-19-2009, 12:25 AM
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Did he counter balance them? Im not Tschett'n you I really want to know. Knudson's clubs where much the same and super heavy with a counter balance to get the swing weights back to normal.
I don't think so OB. Many of the old school pros used clubs with very high swing weights, including Mr. Hogan, Mr. Snead, and Mr. Norman (Moe). Not that it matters what I think, but I have always been more comfortable with higher swing weights as well, and struggle to get my clubs made as heavy as I like.

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Old 10-19-2009, 12:30 AM
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Did he counter balance them? Im not Tschett'n you I really want to know. Knudson's clubs where much the same and super heavy with a counter balance to get the swing weights back to normal.
The heads are heavey, but it is more because of the fact the shafts were shorter in the era and that made the shafts lighter and stiffer. The heaver head would do as you say "counter ballance and bring back the flex point. Although, this might be why everyone though Hogan's shafts felt so stiff and I believe that the dead weight was like C-9... I am not 100% on this but I was told by someone that knew Hogan very well that he added lead under the grip so not to feel the heavier end as much. I am suspecting if this is true that he did not want to worrie were the club head was and to trust what he had practiced being more aware of where the hands were..IMO

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Old 10-19-2009, 12:42 AM
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The fellow who showed me Knudsons clubs as a young guy made the runs to the hardware store for the counter balancing that his uncle used when making a set for George. They still have his back up set in the shop for a keep sake. What did they use? Heavy threaded rod of various lengths stuck down the butt end. He told me George wasnt too particular about swing weights or anything. It was all a feel thing. Swinging them around the shop really made me think about adding weight to my clubs. They were like battering rams. All that weight required a stiffer shaft maybe.

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Old 10-19-2009, 12:53 AM
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The fellow who showed me Knudsons clubs as a young guy made the runs to the hardware store for the counter balancing that his uncle used when making a set for George. They still have his back up set in the shop for a keep sake. What did they use? Heavy threaded rod of various lengths stuck down the butt end. He told me George wasnt too particular about swing weights or anything. It was all a feel thing. Swinging them around the shop really made me think about adding weight to my clubs. They were like battering rams. All that weight required a stiffer shaft maybe.


I have not the foggiest what they used??? I think it is interesting though that the clubs sound very similar in makeup. I know you have heard about the old pro's putting Bee-Bee's in there putter shafts to make it heaver, Right? Well, I know that Miller Barber and Babe Hiskey put salt in the shafts of their drivers, how weird is that...

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Old 10-19-2009, 06:19 AM
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Daryl,
TGM being an "educated hands" system Homer suggested you take the #3PP straight line to the aiming point. How does this work if the the right shoulder is in control? Wouldn't you lose your #3 control?
Train the Pivot to force the Right Shoulder to direct the #3 Pressure Point to trace the Base Line.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:21 AM
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Anything else you might want to know about the man?
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Yes, thank you.

His famous 1 iron shot. How far was it struck?
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:31 AM
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Yes, thank you.

His famous 1 iron shot. How far was it struck?
About 200 yards. Hogan was not a counter of yards, but believed in playing the shot at hand by the feel he dug out of the dirt.
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