Section 3, #13 states "Forward Press--Clear Right Hip"
Section 6, # 24 states "Clear Right Hip"
Is the right hip rotated in the same direction for these?? or, pls clarify.
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DRW
Now that is a great question Doc. If its cleared already why or how does one clear it again?
My personal interpretation, with a little help from my friends, is that the first "clear" is a turn of the right hip, the second "clear" is a Slide of the previously turned Right Hip which Tilts the Axis of the Shoulders , gets the weight left and "clears" a path for a Straight Line Delivery Path of the Hands.
So in terms of the right hip its: "turn, slide" and then swing all with a centered Head. Slide with a Delayed Turn of the Hips. Mr Hogan's pattern is a fine example of this procedure. There was a cleared Right Hip in both directions, no "Roundhousing", NO!
Who said that the "Hip Turn" is a "Rotation"? Rotate around what? Although "Turn" is used in the little book, the term "Rotation" is not.
Clearing the Hips boils down to the Right Elbow and Right Hip, although coordinated, moving independently. The Right Hip should not interfere with the Right Elbow in either direction.
The "Forward Press", with a Stationary Head, is a Parallel Slide of the Hips and Hands a couple of inches to the Left. This Slide Tilts the Secondary Axis. This is an important alignment because as the Hands move to the Right during Start-Up, the Right Hip will be pushed Backwards behind the player so as not to interfere with the Hands and Elbow Path.
From the Top, verify that the Right Hip is behind its start-up location. The Horizontal Red Line in the Illustration below, is the line that the Hips are on at Address.
The illustration below shows the Hip Turn drawn on the Ground. Note the number of straight lines. Note that during the Backstroke, both Hips move in straight Lines, and, while arriving at the Top of the Swing, are Turned to the Plane Line. They are not Rotated although each hip Bone is rotated in each socket.
Too bad he's an Elbow Plane Swinger. Look at that 10-7-E Reverse Shift. Anyway, not a bad Hip Turn but could be better. Wow, that flexibility is awesome.
D I find this overhead perspective of the Hips to be fascinating. There's options of course. It'd be really interesting to get good players perspectives on their own "tracer lines".
Did you ever see the wee ice blob's? Its a modeled version of Mr Hogan, not sure how accurate but very interesting. Remember you have options.
The first blue tracer is the movement of the left hip, the second yellow one is the right hip and the third green one is the right elbow.
Look at how the Right Hip moves south west in Startup, how the Left Hip after its Slide has a sharp "C" shape (Homer's observation about Hogan's quick initial Hip acceleration? Maybe.) This is like swing DNA.
Question: Mr Kelley tried to make most things right sided, the left shoulder went where the right shoulder directed it to go for instance. But what about the Left Hip , does it respond to the right hips motion or action or does it turn and pull? I can see how the Swinger when Drag Loading could use that left hip pull. Does Homer discuss this left vs right hip thing?
Who said that the "Hip Turn" is a "Rotation"? Rotate around what? Although "Turn" is used in the little book, the term "Rotation" is not.
Clearing the Hips boils down to the Right Elbow and Right Hip, although coordinated, moving independently. The Right Hip should not interfere with the Right Elbow in either direction.
The "Forward Press", with a Stationary Head, is a Parallel Slide of the Hips and Hands a couple of inches to the Left. This Slide Tilts the Secondary Axis. This is an important alignment because as the Hands move to the Right during Start-Up, the Right Hip will be pushed Backwards behind the player so as not to interfere with the Hands and Elbow Path.
From the Top, verify that the Right Hip is behind its start-up location. The Horizontal Red Line in the Illustration below, is the line that the Hips are on at Address.
The illustration below shows the Hip Turn drawn on the Ground. Note the number of straight lines. Note that during the Backstroke, both Hips move in straight Lines, and, while arriving at the Top of the Swing, are Turned to the Plane Line. They are not Rotated although each hip Bone is rotated in each socket.
Too bad he's an Elbow Plane Swinger. Look at that 10-7-E Reverse Shift. Anyway, not a bad Hip Turn but could be better. Wow, that flexibility is awesome.
If one can achieve a 180 degree shoulder turn with less hip turn and no loss of power wouldn't that be an advantage? Less moving parts?
This is the best example of a hip turn producing the forward bump in the turn.
I cant get the link, Im on my phone, but I think I know what it is...........If im saying "Turn, Slide then Swing" this'd be "Turn and Slide", at the same time on the backswing even. Maybe even more south west than the Henny Blobmans yellow tracer from Startup.
I goof with that one, isnt that what V.J.'s book is all about? I like that one too.
But I still maintain there is no one best way. Homer called it "Hula Hula" not just "Hula" after all.
I think that there are variations in Hip Turn. But for everyone, the Hip Turn should be accommodated by bending Knees and not by twisting the Legs.
Some may "feel" an actual Turn but many others don't although the Hips are Turned.
The issue was Clearing the Right Hip at Section 3 and 6. These are preparations. You need to prepare to Clear the Right Hip.
I think that Section 3 #13 is the big one. The Forward press while keeping the Right Hip back, gives the golfer a great opportunity to build Hip Clearing into the swing.
Hip Clearing, at the Top, isn't a big issue for me if I cleared the Hip out of the way in Section 3. Don't get me wrong. But it's more of an issue for Elbow Plane Shifts.
The Forward Press is Fixing in mind the appearance and feel of the Zone #3 Components at Impact by shifting the entire Machine per Stroke Pattern to the Impact position
I stand corrected and rightly so.........I won't answer any more questions without consulting the book. Every passage mentioning Forward Press concerns getting to know Impact.
So, the "Forward Press" in "Section 3" is about knowing where the Right Hip and Elbow should be for Impact.
Then, and I'm only quessing, Section 6, # 24, "Clear Right Hip" is to know that it's out of the way and the Location it's traveling to for Impact?
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