Elsewhere here, Daryl reminded us of the importance of the Flying Wedges. I think as you (and I) work on things we should pay special attention to PP#1 and its effecto on maintaining the right side FW.
I am finding the left side FW maintains nicely as long as that pp#1 is applying pressure into the left thumb/shaft.
I get so disappointed if I find myself flipping.
Good luck Tim. Ain't this place grand?
Elsewhere here, Daryl reminded us of the importance of the Flying Wedges. I think as you (and I) work on things we should pay special attention to PP#1 and its effecto on maintaining the right side FW.
I am finding the left side FW maintains nicely as long as that pp#1 is applying pressure into the left thumb/shaft.
I get so disappointed if I find myself flipping.
Good luck Tim. Ain't this place grand?
yes Jerry i'm sure you are right, my flying wedges knowledge is a bit hazy now you mention it, think i'll have a crack at confirming what i know about them tonight.
so much good information on here - LBG is the best
i'll check him out, thanks - known as a great iron player but a comparatively poor driver, was it an iron swing or driver ? perhaps you would post the link ?
The Mchatton stuff got here today. I tried all the drills. I'm exhausted.
Man, no wonder I can't hit the ball very far. I have no Pivot. I have been trying to do everything with a well-timed arm swing or arm generated something.
I went to the indoor range and Gregg shows you good drills not using the hands and arms. I hit for an hour taking my hands and arms out of it as best I could. My muscles hurt everywhere!
The Golf Machine makes it so easy to diagnose mistakes. But changing years of a bad swing motion takes real work!
I did do a couple things well. Upon making a full Pivot, with very quiet arms and hands, I (thought of Lynn) planted and drove my right shoulder down and cracked a couple of 220 yard carry drives with a real crack that got some favorable noises from the group waiting. My shoulder never felt so powerful.
Uhmmm let me tell you the drills Lynn teaches that Mr. McHatton does with different names: DRAG THE MOP, SPIN THE FLYWHEEL. There are others but Lynn's ability to take the Swing apart into its component parts, "Vertically un-cocking Left Wrist, Are you Prepared to Roll on that line, The Finishing Swivel, means that all the stuff that a teacher leaves unsaid in order to simplify the presentation is stuff we can know and understand. (I'm not criticizing Mr. Mchatton. As a teacher I understand that lesson plans must be selective to be effective)
I think I lost 10 lbs of water weight!
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 12-30-2010 at 11:05 PM.
I am not used to sinking so far into my artificial hip, Daryl.
Originally Posted by Daryl
"Houston, we have a problem."
If you use your Pivot to generate throw-out and your arms and hands to multiply that, then you shouldn't be sore anywhere. You should feel refreshed.
I know. Greg tends to make the Pivot seem as though you're taking "Bikram Yoga".
And I think the experimentation with different angles and not using my arms is making me rebalance and not do the normal stuff.
Sending my right shoulder to the ground has got me confused. When I do the marching drills I never sense a straight line slide. it does just feel like one brisk turn then another.
Is he Hitting after he starts to slide? Ok, I got it. Pushing off your right leg is like popping in your right knee and it gives you tilt and power.
I realize now why the straight line avoidance is important.
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Sending my right shoulder to the ground has got me confused. When I do the marching drills I never sense a straight line slide. it does just feel like one brisk turn then another.
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Ya know, you could let the Power Package carry some of the Load.
How does the Hip Turn create Power? Speed? Distance? What are you looking for?
Weight Shift? How do the Hips "Propel" the Right Shoulder?
Does that come from the Right or Left Hip?
What About Knee Action?
Let me ask you an easy question:
If your Right Shoulder is On-Plane at the Top, How much Hip Slide do you need to get it On-Plane?
How much Hip Slide do you need to keep it on Plane during the Downstroke? What is forcing it Off-Plane?
If you don't have Pivot Lag set up by the time you reach Top, then you need to create it on the way down.
Do you leave your hands at the Top during Start-Down?
If you use your Pivot to generate throw-out and your arms and hands to multiply that, then you shouldn't be sore anywhere. You should feel refreshed.
I know. Greg tends to make the Pivot seem as though you're taking "Bikram Yoga".
And I think the experimentation with different angles and not using my arms is making me rebalance and not do the normal stuff.
Sending my right shoulder to the ground has got me confused. When I do the marching drills I never sense a straight line slide. it does just feel like one brisk turn then another.
Ok, Gregg has a straight line drill where he pushes a golf cart up the hill with the back leg drive against the cart. Full Hip turn, dead hands and arms, right leg/ back leg drive and tilt.
I don't think I understand the McDonald exercises. I thought the same side leg pushes that hip back. Either way, marching Pivot or back leg drive, it is a very powerful, simple Swing! Oh, I just saw it in the mirror. Pivot back carries the dead arms and hands up and back leg drive gives tilt and powerful inside attack of the ball with lots more body support of club.
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 12-31-2010 at 11:34 AM.
You're missing something. It shouldn't be this difficult.
My Hip Slide, is two inches. That's about this |____________________________| much.
I agree that he is correct with the "Hip/Cart" drill-example. But, that's more a weight shift Drill. Weight stays on the right foot as the left heel is planted and the Downstroke begins. Use your right leg to brace the downstroke shoulder turn but don't push with the right leg.
The MacDonald drills are the keys to the door.
If I'm reading you right, you've been (maybe) using your arms to replace the Pivot. But now you seem to think that the Pivot is a huge muscular lateral motion. Hmm? It may look that way when viewing swings, but it's "Hip Turn" and "Hip Action".
How is your Posture? Are you bending enough?
All of the above is easy. First learn to return the Right Forearm to the Angle of Approach. That alone will dictate your Pivot (Hip Turn and Action). Until you can return the Right Forearm to its Impact Fix Angle of Approach, you're only "Exercising". Save that for the Gym.
Read the drills I gave to AirAir. Get a bucket with a Handle. Horizontal and Angled Hinging are very different. Don't mix.
Man, no wonder I can't hit the ball very far. I have no Pivot. I have been trying to do everything with a well-timed arm swing or arm generated something.
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that GM big time pivot & swingers motion caught my attention a month or so ago too, it does feel like there is extra power in there
hear the compression & these are apparently 165yd 8i with a hitting action ...unless i'm way off track ... & no big time pivot action... Jeff does look like he might not look out of place as a no8 forward though to be fair, which might help
if we swing rather than hit will we have more distance ? I guess it depends, but it is a Q i have come back to a couple times & one i have heard voiced a few times
Ya know, you could let the Power Package carry some of the Load.
How does the Hip Turn create Power? Speed? Distance? What are you looking for?
Weight Shift? How do the Hips "Propel" the Right Shoulder?
Does that come from the Right or Left Hip?
What About Knee Action?
Let me ask you an easy question:
If your Right Shoulder is On-Plane at the Top, How much Hip Slide do you need to get it On-Plane?
How much Hip Slide do you need to keep it on Plane during the Downstroke? What is forcing it Off-Plane?
If you don't have Pivot Lag set up by the time you reach Top, then you need to create it on the way down.
Do you leave your hands at the Top during Start-Down?
I like the easy questions.
We need a TGM coloring book. Would you be the illustrator? Remember the Jack's cartoon book and Gary Player's cartoon book?
What I have comprehended via Mr. McHatton's videos is that the hips start and power the Swing (or a more effective version of the Swing). So I'm looking to have a more powerful, more repeatable swing.
Several of the compensations and power drains ( maybe all of them) according to GM, come from the use of the arms and hands (he is a Swing teacher not a Hitmeister).
Apparently, if the hips drive the Swing (and if we can increase their speed from 2 mph to 2.5 mph) then the other components (esp. if we let them hang loosely) will tear through the air and allow me to become a better golfer.
I'm in favor of that.
I am enjoying the DVD's esp. since Lynn's DVD's are not out yet and I gave my Alignment I DVD's to my Dad. I leave my hands at the top, my arms, my brain, my dogs, they are all left to LAG forever.
I'm using my hips as slowly and powerfully as I can. My hips are off line since one is artificial and one leg is yada yada.
I think what your saying and GM, Lynn, TGM et al, is saying is that the simple act of stepping forward makes the hips slide.
I have to go push the golf cart up the hill with my right leg while keeping my left hip in it's ceramic socket. At last, an exercise program for non-athletes who golf.
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 12-31-2010 at 12:49 PM.
... & no big time pivot action... Jeff does look like he might not look out of place as a no8 forward though to be fair, which might help
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