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Old 12-09-2010, 12:18 PM
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Thank you KevCarter,

I appreciate your moral support.

Based on my own experience I would say that a stroke based on level wrists address position is inferior to what I currently do. The geometry may look better to a TGM eye but the physics on the inside is a lot less stable, strong and reliable. What I currently do enables me to sustain lag pressure much longer. Level wrists address is to me a receipt for getting disconnected in the down stroke. And now that I've lived without it for a few months I can't do it anymore.

I have had quite a few rounds with good ball striking lately. A few weeks ago I hit 17 GIR's. The one I missed was only 10 feet away from the flag. I was going for a corner flag location. Unfortunately I had left the putter home so I didn't shoot in the low 70's as I should have. But the stroke pattern itself is good enough for par golf.

TGM is supposed to be about alignments as opposed to positions. But since we assess each others swings looking at pictures and movie frames we tend to fall into the position trap ever so often. But it is what goes on on the inside that really counts. I am rather convinced that different golfers with different bodies need different swing geometries to maximise their ability to create and sustain lag pressure through impact. Differences that goes beyond preferences and compensations.

Different golf strokes for different golf folks.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BerntR View Post
Thank you KevCarter,

I appreciate your moral support.

Based on my own experience I would say that a stroke based on level wrists address position is inferior to what I currently do. The geometry may look better to a TGM eye but the physics on the inside is a lot less stable, strong and reliable. What I currently do enables me to sustain lag pressure much longer. Level wrists address is to me a receipt for getting disconnected in the down stroke. And now that I've lived without it for a few months I can't do it anymore.

I have had quite a few rounds with good ball striking lately. A few weeks ago I hit 17 GIR's. The one I missed was only 10 feet away from the flag. I was going for a corner flag location. Unfortunately I had left the putter home so I didn't shoot in the low 70's as I should have. But the stroke pattern itself is good enough for par golf.

TGM is supposed to be about alignments as opposed to positions. But since we assess each others swings looking at pictures and movie frames we tend to fall into the position trap ever so often. But it is what goes on on the inside that really counts. I am rather convinced that different golfers with different bodies need different swing geometries to maximise their ability to create and sustain lag pressure through impact. Differences that goes beyond preferences and compensations.

Different golf strokes for different golf folks.
Absolutely BerntR. If there were one "BEST" way, all the champions in golf would have similar looking swings. Certainly they don't, but they all have the ability to achieve impact alignments that propel the ball where they are looking...

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Old 05-08-2011, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dlam View Post
I know this sounds crazy and bit too elementary but I have associated pressure points to directional control of the clubface, clubshaft and clubhead.

For me Directional Clubhead control is via P4 and P2
Directional Clubface control is P1
Directional Clubshaft control is P3.

This directional control is to describe the forward swing only.
Almost a year later and this seems like a silly post by me.
clubshaft moves linearly and circular and in a twisting torque fashion.
clubshaft rotation and clubhead rotation affects clubface angle.
Not mutual exclusion.
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:59 PM
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Almost a year later and this seems like a silly post by me.
clubshaft moves linearly and circular and in a twisting torque fashion.
clubshaft rotation and clubhead rotation affects clubface angle.
Not mutual exclusion.
I enjoy thinking of the shaft staying on plane while maintaining lag pressure. Twisting and torqueing aren't part of my program. Whatever works for each individual!

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Old 05-08-2011, 09:00 PM
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I spoke to Yoda a week or so ago about "level" left wrist and i did not quite do it correctly after speaking with him. Then last week I practiced (egads!) and truly got level and viola I could drag the wet mop!
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Old 05-09-2011, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
I enjoy thinking of the shaft staying on plane while maintaining lag pressure. Twisting and torqueing aren't part of my program. Whatever works for each individual!

Kevin
My swinger's P3 cannot just move the shaft linearly like a pulling on rope.
The shaft moves forward and around my body and the clubhead rotates counterclockwise through impact.
So an upward hinge left wrist is especially essential in the backswing.
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Old 05-09-2011, 08:05 PM
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I spoke to Yoda a week or so ago about "level" left wrist and i did not quite do it correctly after speaking with him. Then last week I practiced (egads!) and truly got level and viola I could drag the wet mop!
The level left wrist the single most important advice I got from the forum members when I first sought help.
I get left thumbitis.....I tend to downhinge/arch my left wrist with my left thumb by pressing my thumb straight down.
This is great for a putt or some chip shots but bad for the full swing.
My left thumb competes against the accumulator for P3.
Once i could feel a level left wrist by either loosen my left thumb and/or tighten my last three fingers (P3) my swing got better.
Thanks all.
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Old 05-11-2011, 08:04 AM
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The level left wrist the single most important advice I got from the forum members when I first sought help.
I get left thumbitis.....I tend to downhinge/arch my left wrist with my left thumb by pressing my thumb straight down.
This is great for a putt or some chip shots but bad for the full swing.
My left thumb competes against the accumulator for P3.
Once i could feel a level left wrist by either loosen my left thumb and/or tighten my last three fingers (P3) my swing got better.
Thanks all.
Miko O has the best tip for level left wrist.
point the left forefinger out as if you were pointing. the forefinger would be in line with the forearm.
This would be level left wrist and support the max load you can muster with the club
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