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[KevCarter]

there are a number of differences between swinging & hitting & i'm only somewhat clear on the ones that influence the downswing, but address position isn't a defining characteristic as far as i'm aware, though you could well be right that hitters more often tend to start from impact fix

You've got it Tim. Very few absolutes, there are a few, or three to be exact, and three more that you should strive towards, everything else is pretty much wide open...

The lists in chapter 11 help you understand what goes together well, and what shouldn't be combined, although it's not exactly black and white, and chapter 13 gives you a pretty wide overview while letting you know the importance of separating dragging and driving, at least the way I read it...

Kevin

[tim chapman]

You've got it Tim. Very few absolutes, there are a few, or three to be exact, and three more that you should strive towards, everything else is pretty much wide open...

The lists in chapter 11 help you understand what goes together well, and what shouldn't be combined, although it's not exactly black and white, and chapter 13 gives you a pretty wide overview while letting you know the importance of separating dragging and driving, at least the way I read it...

Kevin

thanks, i will check that out, my TGM book should be here any day now. Actually i've been wondering whether i should work on hitting or swinging & what might work best longer term, but i think it is something that can wait awhile whilst i get a few of the concepts understood & actions under control. I feel like a kid in a sweet shop, running around trying a bit of this and that - it's all good & i have the feeling of wanting to fast forward it all to a spot where i have a decent handle on it, but i know it will take some time & i'm lucky in that i can hit a few balls everyday & at least make some progress.

[KevCarter]

thanks, i will check that out, my TGM book should be here any day now. Actually i've been wondering whether i should work on hitting or swinging & what might work best longer term, but i think it is something that can wait awhile whilst i get a few of the concepts understood & actions under control. I feel like a kid in a sweet shop, running around trying a bit of this and that - it's all good & i have the feeling of wanting to fast forward it all to a spot where i have a decent handle on it, but i know it will take some time & i'm lucky in that i can hit a few balls everyday & at least make some progress.

Tim,

Again, you've nailed it. In the day Jerry and I spent watching Yoda teach, not once did he mention hitting or swinging. He looked at each student, and worked on the components he felt needed work.

Personally, learning hitting has been HUGE for my short game and is always being developed using basic motion. Your basic motion stroke may one day open your eyes as to your preference, but definitely does not need to be jumped on right away...

YODA, please don't let me steer Tim wrong... would you agree?

Kevin

[JerryG]

YODA, please don't let me steer Tim wrong... would you agree?

Kevin[/quote]

Steering is when your hands are placed around the student's neck in order to aid in direction.

[airair]

YODA, please don't let me steer Tim wrong... would you agree?

Kevin

Steering is when your hands are placed around the student's neck in order to aid in direction.[/quote]

You almost make steering sound like a good thing.

[david sandridge]

That looks like one of the Aussie from Cuscowilla in the dark hat the golfguru from iseekgolf. Another great post

[tim chapman]

I can post a video so you can hear it. All I can say is that the Ball comes off like a rocket with hardly any effort.

Yoda can probably give the best idea on how many golfers he has heard have it and How many tour players have it. I don't know? Maybe 1 of 100 golfers, 1 of 5 or 1 of 10 tour players? He may be the only guy that knows.

if the link below works (click on the picture) listen when he takes a full swing. Watch this guy set his right forearm flying wedge before address. go to 1:40 and start watching

Daryl, would you say a characteristic of this swing is big-time use of the pivot action ?

[airair]

P. 149 -153
http://richie3jack.proboards.com/ind...lay&thread=278

[Daryl]

Daryl, would you say a characteristic of this swing is big-time use of the pivot action ?

It looks like he keeps Zone 1,2 and 3 identities separate. The Pivot supplies the primary Force. The Arms create speed from it and the Hands Direct it.

So, yes. Big-time use of the Pivot.

10-2-D Grip, Angled Hinge. I think that Paul Smith mentioned somewhere that Ramsey was trained by Greg McHatton. Maybe Paul will tell us more about his swing.

[tim chapman]

It looks like he keeps Zone 1,2 and 3 identities separate. The Pivot supplies the primary Force. The Arms create speed from it and the Hands Direct it.

So, yes. Big-time use of the Pivot.

10-2-D Grip, Angled Hinge. I think that Paul Smith mentioned somewhere that Ramsey was trained by Greg McHatton. Maybe Paul will tell us more about his swing.

thanks Daryl, i don't have the book yet so i've made a note of your reference. that would be great to hear more about the swing, if Paul is willing ?

I met maxine compression today, she just gave me a peck on the cheek & then was gone but promised more if i'm faithful to her (she knows i can be a feckless tosser who will pick up with most any swing thought going). she is very beautiful, is it wrong to want to make babies with a golf swing ? i think not.

seriously i tried this out & loved it, big statement after half an hour but i think it might be the one for me. i like the way the swing is completely spent at the end & just coasts to a dead stop, presumably because all the energy is in the ball ? it's like, done well, the swing would say 'i can just about be bothered to crush this thing, but if i nod off doing it, will you wake me up please'

i hit a couple drivers (albeit in the net so i don't know for sure how good they were) that went TWAP (or similar noise that a compressed ball might make) & played around with some wedges & 8i for half an hour. Great stuff thanks for your help.