Mike (psych)O . . . Spot on analysis. Could you expand upon the Right Forearm supporting the loading motion please kind sir? I think this is something misunderstood (to an extent by me too). You rock on you swing analysis.
Yup, Id like some more clarification on this too Mike
Mathew Quote: "I don't think its just the downstroke hip action which is at fault... I also believe the main fault is with the standard variation which I what I try to preform is of not having enough slide prior to the turn during the backstroke.. what you think ? "
Like I said, it was just a few quick thoughts without elaboration- so in regards to your above comment/question and a little more clarification on what I was saying- I don't think that the downstroke or backstroke hip action "is at fault"- the body movements just show the faults of not moving the club in the correct manner, and not moving the club in the right manner or direction tells me that you're not loading the club in the right manner.
Loading the club at the top with the full support of the right forearm- combined with the left wrist "feeling" like it is cupped would be an excellent place to start. You've got to make it through the start down with that wrist feel remaining cupped. Both- left wrist and right forearm issues go hand in hand.
What feels like cupped to you of course will be flat- but for someone like yourself who is into the Machine- a cupped left wrist- "destroying the flying wedges"- will be a tough feel to deal with- gotta overcome that. Much more and really too much infor to cover all the bases here.
Mike (psych)O . . . Spot on analysis. Could you expand upon the Right Forearm supporting the loading motion please kind sir? I think this is something misunderstood (to an extent by me too). You rock on you swing analysis.
I need to figure out how to put pictures of my sloppy-azz motion out here so you can . . .
CHOP ME UP TOO!!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!! RUN FORREST!!!!!
Seriously though . . . how do you get video from your camera into stills and then on the net?
Just my perspective here. If I were Matthew I would take it back to the top and then stop there, take the left hand off the club and sense how well the right hand/forearm position support the loading motion. Then I would start at address and take the club back with the right hand only - to the top - and find where the best location for the hand and forearm would be for FULLY stopping that club- Is there a difference? Probably.
2nd - Although in the face on pictures that started this thread you might say that Matthew does have a "full" shoulder turn- to me it just doesn't look "right" or "full" to me. However, I'd guess that normally if you get the right hand and forearm supporting the load at the top- then it just requires more shoulder turn compared to Matthew's sequence, as a natural result of the right hand and forearm getting behind and FULLY supporting the load- otherwise it's my guess that at the top for Matthew "everything" i.e. powerpackage- hands and arms are "sliding" off. You support the load with the right hand and right forearm BUT you've got to have the body behind that - supporting that loading- the hand and forearm are "between" the clubshaft and the body (right shoulder)- that load is coming in supported by A) the Hand, B) the Right Forearm, C) the right shoulder- they feel as if they line up- Matthew "missed" the Right Shoulder-Body- it's not lining up or supporting the load- Hence- the Clubshaft, the Right Hand, the Right Forearm are "sliding off-line". My off the wall tip - to try for Matthew - if not real at least perceived would be to start at address with hands facing each other- then at the top with the left wrist slight cupped feeling- and looking- have the right wrist at 90 degrees (perpendicular) to the left wrist. Before anyone freaks out- that's a lesson tee thought- experiment- application- etc. and a possible X classification. You can actually twist the hands on the grip enough to accomplish that.
Just my perspective here. If I were Matthew I would take it back to the top and then stop there, take the left hand off the club and sense how well the right hand/forearm position support the loading motion. Then I would start at address and take the club back with the right hand only - to the top - and find where the best location for the hand and forearm would be for FULLY stopping that club- Is there a difference? Probably.
2nd - Although in the face on pictures that started this thread you might say that Matthew does have a "full" shoulder turn- to me it just doesn't look "right" or "full" to me. However, I'd guess that normally if you get the right hand and forearm supporting the load at the top- then it just requires more shoulder turn compared to Matthew's sequence, as a natural result of the right hand and forearm getting behind and FULLY supporting the load- otherwise it's my guess that at the top for Matthew "everything" i.e. powerpackage- hands and arms are "sliding" off. My off the wall tip - to try for Matthew - if not real at least perceived would be to start at address with hands facing each other- then at the top with the left wrist slight cupped feeling- and looking- have the right wrist at 90 degrees (perpendicular) to the left wrist. Before anyone freaks out- that's a lesson tee thought- experiment- application- etc. and a possible X classification.
Thanks Mike O - I'll read this more carefully when I return - have to go to work now but sounds like good stuff
Just my perspective here. If I were Matthew I would take it back to the top and then stop there, take the left hand off the club and sense how well the right hand/forearm position support the loading motion. Then I would start at address and take the club back with the right hand only - to the top - and find where the best location for the hand and forearm would be for FULLY stopping that club- Is there a difference? Probably.
2nd - Although in the face on pictures that started this thread you might say that Matthew does have a "full" shoulder turn- to me it just doesn't look "right" or "full" to me. However, I'd guess that normally if you get the right hand and forearm supporting the load at the top- then it just requires more shoulder turn compared to Matthew's sequence, as a natural result of the right hand and forearm getting behind and FULLY supporting the load- otherwise it's my guess that at the top for Matthew "everything" i.e. powerpackage- hands and arms are "sliding" off. You support the load with the right hand and right forearm BUT you've got to have the body behind that - supporting that loading- the hand and forearm are "between" the clubshaft and the body (right shoulder)- that load is coming in supported by A) the Hand, B) the Right Forearm, C) the right shoulder- they feel as if they line up- Matthew "missed" the Right Shoulder-Body- it's not lining up or supporting the load- Hence- the Clubshaft, the Right Hand, the Right Forearm are "sliding off-line". My off the wall tip - to try for Matthew - if not real at least perceived would be to start at address with hands facing each other- then at the top with the left wrist slight cupped feeling- and looking- have the right wrist at 90 degrees (perpendicular) to the left wrist. Before anyone freaks out- that's a lesson tee thought- experiment- application- etc. and a possible X classification. You can actually twist the hands on the grip enough to accomplish that.
If they ever let me come to Cali . . . I gotta break bread with you man! (Or eat fish tacos or whatever y'all grub on out there).
You need more "up" and less "in" on the backswing. It creates an over rolled left forearm and puts the clubshaft off plane which can lead to all kinds of nasty things in the downswing.
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What mechanical recommendation would you make to Mathew in order to fix the backswing plane? I have struggled on and off with the same problem. I can at times fix it without a ball and then it comes back when I get to the range.
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