In 'The Secret of Hogan's Swing' the author talks about a drill where you let go of the club and it's supposed to travel towards the target. He said that most people will throw the club to the left of target. He also mentioned that this same drill is found in Fred Shoemaker's book 'Extraordinary Golf'.
I have a couple of questions about this drill:
1. (at the moment the more important question) Do we really have a similar feeling when we actually make a real golf swing? When I'm throwing a club toward the target then I really don't have the feeling of hitting down on the golf ball. Remember the drill where you hold a ball in your right hand and you throw it to another ball on the ground (I think Chuck E. and Mike Ben___ mentioned it in their respective videos or on The Golf Channel)? These two drills produce very different feelings. Which one is correct? I know that Lynn has a video where he throws a dowel into the ground. So does this mean that the drill mentioned in the Ben Hogan book, and the Fred Shoemaker book, is incorrect? I think Shoemaker said that this is one of the secrets of good ball striking.
The second question is coming...
BTW, I purchased both of Lynn's first two premium offerings and believe that this is, at least for me, the best golf forum on the web.
Thanks for your help.
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I've met Fred before and a few other guys that do the club throwing. I watched him do his thing with some adult golfers of varying abilities. About 90% of people will look more natural and are in better positions when throwing the club. I think that he had them look at the target while doing this drill. Of course, there isn't a little white ball there. We all know how good most people's practice swings look. Fred is also into awareness and seemed to be into focusing on the target to keep the brain on the task at hand.
Personally, I think the club throwing it is a little dangerous. Sounds like your looking for a feel. Are you referring to the Hogan medicine ball drill. I think that would be good for rythym. What specifically are you looking to work on?
Does one have a feeling of throwing the club down the fairway? Yes.
Does throwing the club down the fairway produce a golf swing? No.
The Throw–Out of the clubhead by CF used by Swingers will straighten the arms after Impact (8-11), producing that “toss down the fairway” feeling.
But…
The Geometry of the Circle teaches us that the clubhead travels DOWN through the ball (Impact) and reaches Low Point with the right arm still bent before it straightens with the Left Arm for the FIRST time.
The problem with the tossing the club down to the target drill is that it is so easy to do without hitting down. In fact too often it produces scooping.
It can be done within the Geometry of the Circle but you first have to KNOW WHY, then HOW.
BTW, I purchased both of Lynn's first two premium offerings and believe that this is, at least for me, the best golf forum on the web.
Welcome aboard, AK. Thanks for your first post and your recommendation of our first two premium videos.
Now that my travel schedule is winding down, more will come soon. Plus a couple of posts regarding my observations of the game's great players at this week's TOUR Championship.
Welcome aboard, AK. Thanks for your first post and your recommendation of our first two premium videos.
Now that my travel schedule is winding down, more will come soon. Plus a couple of posts regarding my observations of the game's great players at this week's TOUR Championship.
Stay tuned!
Looking forward to that. You had a busy season on the PGA tour.
Is there much "buzz" about TGM on tour after the success you have add in addition to success of "the stack and tilt pattern" which is also from the TGM gene pool?
__________________ Reverse every natural instinct and do the opposite of what you are inclined to do, and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing.
Is there much "buzz" about TGM on tour after the success you have add in addition to success of "the stack and tilt pattern" which is also from the TGM gene pool?
I'm the wrong one to ask on this. When you're a bumblebee, all you hear is 'buzz.'
Personally, I think the club throwing it is a little dangerous. Sounds like your looking for a feel. Are you referring to the Hogan medicine ball drill. I think that would be good for rythym. What specifically are you looking to work on?
Thanks for your post.
Also, why is it more dangerous?
I'm just wondering if the feel, when swinging, is more like the "throwing the ball into the ground" drill or should it be more like throwing a club to the target? Just wondering which is closer to the real swing.
The problem with the tossing the club down to the target drill is that it is so easy to do without hitting down. In fact too often it produces scooping.
It can be done within the Geometry of the Circle but you first have to KNOW WHY, then HOW.
Basically, I'm just trying to keep improving on my ability to bring the clubhead to low point. I'm wondering if the 'throw the ball at the ground with my right hand' feel is making me take too-deep divots.
I think I'm getting shallower divots when I use the feelling of throwing the club to the target (but my low point may even be further past the ball using this swing thought. ?!?
Marrying Straight-Line Downstroke Thrust With Finish Swivel
Originally Posted by AK
Basically, I'm just trying to keep improving on my ability to bring the clubhead to low point. I'm wondering if the 'throw the ball at the ground with my right hand' feel is making me take too-deep divots.
I think I'm getting shallower divots when I use the feelling of throwing the club to the target (but my low point may even be further past the ball using this swing thought. ?!?
There is a fine line here.
Through Impact, Thrust -- Muscular or Centrifugal -- is always directed Straight Line and Down Plane. Down and Out to Low Point (1-L-14) toward the Aiming Point (6-E-2). This puts the Hands -- directly or indirectly -- in their Impact Hand Location (7-8 ). But...
This Lag Pressure Point Pressure -- #3 Pressure Point (Right Forefinger) -- is never an out-an-out Right Arm Throwaway from the Top and into the ground. Instead...
In Pivot Strokes, the Loading from the Top is best done via the Left Side Pull, i.e., the Body Pulling the Arms and the Arms pulling the Club. Then, with a strong sense of Finish Swivel, the Left Arm Flying Wedge is accelerated through Impact and Follow-Through.
The Lagging Right Side picks this up as Clubhead Lag.
Basically, I'm just trying to keep improving on my ability to bring the clubhead to low point. I'm wondering if the 'throw the ball at the ground with my right hand' feel is making me take too-deep divots.
I think I'm getting shallower divots when I use the feelling of throwing the club to the target (but my low point may even be further past the ball using this swing thought. ?!?
For me, it was a huge wake up call and game changing moment when I learned to drive my hands, or butt of the club, down and out to low point. The faster you can get you mind out of the clubhead and into your hands the better off you will be. And the better player you will become. As long as you maintain extensor action you can't get too steep, just try and drive it to China.
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