I am not easily impressed and have had many lessons with many people. Ted helped me at the Canton golf school. No question Ted is a brilliant teacher and he genuinely wants his pupils to improve he also knows his stuff inside out. That combination is very rare. Improvement with him is inevitable providing YOU make some effort to do as he says.
Traveling to Georgia is not the most feasible of options for me. I wish they were closer.
Please excuse my beginner question, but what do you mean by the "real plane"?
If you ever picked up Hogans Five Lessons, he introduced the concept to the masses, that the golfswing is performed on a geometric inclined plane. Actually it was introduced prior to Hogan, but probably didn't hit mainstream consciousness until then.
Hardy has unfortunately introduced a great deal of confusion regarding terminology.
In TGM swinging the clubshaft on the inclined plane without deviation, is one of the three basic imperatives in making a sound golfstroke. From putt to drive.
If you ever picked up Hogans Five Lessons, he introduced the concept to the masses, that the golfswing is performed on a geometric inclined plane. Actually it was introduced prior to Hogan, but probably didn't hit mainstream consciousness until then.
Hardy has unfortunately introduced a great deal of confusion regarding terminology.
In TGM, swinging the clubshaft on the inclined plane without deviation, is one of the three basic imperatives in making a sound golfstroke. From putt to drive.
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Can you point me in the direction of any diagrams illustrating the proper inclined plane?
Additionally, where can I purchase a copy of TGM? I have checked amazon but it appears as though they no longer carry it and you have to buy through a reseller.
I've had so many lessons today, but I'm going to try to get back to post a response soon.
I can help you get better, guaranteed!
Originally Posted by stags14
What type of guarantee do you offer?
Interesting question.
And entirely appropriate given the 'guarantee' extended.
I happened to be there this afternoon as Ted took his break time between lessons to jot off his quick reply to you. In his normal, enthusiastic way, he 'guaranteed' he could help you "get better." Presumably, that means 'money back' if he can't. But two things come to mind...
First, I doubt seriously that his guarantee extends to airfare, room and board. Nor should it. The student risks money and the instructor risks time. Risk meets risk in a middle called the marketplace. And in this instance, that marketplace is the price of the instructor's time.
Second, the limiting truth is that the instructor can only inform and explain.
It is the student who must absorb and apply.
I can 'guarantee' that Ted Fort gives his students 100 percent. And then some.
Unfortunately, I can also 'guarantee' that there are students who do not bring to his lesson tee that same commitment.
And unless the 'guarantee' works both ways...
It is a foolish instructor who extends it.
And a deluded or perhaps opportunistic student who accepts it.
First off, welcome. Second off, I know exactly where you are coming from because I was there recently (although not quite as good as you already are). I have Hardy's book; I have Hogan's book; I now have The Golfing Machine. I used to frequent another "one-plane" swing site that I now consider a fraud.
To me, Hardy has a great concept but there are several pieces missing in it and not very much good information out there to help you get through it. I like his concept because he comes from a simplicity standpoint. However, I think it's a bit too simplistic. I tried implementing his stuff and found that other "one-plane" swing site and tried doing that as well. I ended up with the shanks and couldn't figure out how to fix them. I would go through periods of decent ball striking only to have a period of shanks come back.
Then I started looking more into TGM, and honestly I thought these guys were a bunch of freaks at first. It's the jargon (sorry guys) that creates a barrier at first. It's also the fact that people have been told over and over that the golf swing is simple and we should just keep it simple. Why cloud your mind with all these thoughts about mechanics? I'll tell you why. I can self-diagnose my own swing with decent results. I am even starting to correct it. I think those who think we should swing "natural" or forget about mechanics never really competed in other sports. Or, if they did they didn't really understand what their bodies were doing. And they never really attained any real level of success.
Hardy's "idea" of a one-plane swing in TGM terms would be a zero-shift swing, meaning that the backstroke and downstroke trace a single plane. But Homer Kelley defined a few different planes that one can choose or is naturally inclined to use. The golfer is free to pick the one best suited, but the preferred plane (I think) is the turned shoulder plane. Kelley also described other versions where there are varying amounts of shifts, which would be akin to Hardy's dual-plane concept.
In the last couple of months I have sifted through hundreds of postings on this site and two others. I have studied the Yellow Book and taken a lesson from a member here who is also an AI (ldeit). Best of all, I am seeing results, using what I call the world's cheapest training aid -- two wooden dowels.
My advice -- start sifting through some of the stuff around here and try to get a grasp of the vocab. Check out all the videos here, visit Brian Manzella's site and ask questions. Depending on where you are located I'm sure someone here can also recommend a good AI to get you started. Oh yeah, I recommend TGM over Hardy. TGM is not a method or a trend. It is a description of the entire process and how it works and the variations that can work.
Hardy's concept of plane is flawed because angular motion does not work on parallel planes, there can only be a downplane force directly towards the plane line. Its not even a speculation or opinion, that is fact!
Mr. Hardy is talking about the forward tilt of the SHOULDERS, AND THE ANGLE THEY TURN ON IN RELATION TO THE ARMS. One Plane-- Shoulders and Arms move on a similar angle(plane). Two Plane-- SHOULDERS TURN FLATTER, ARMS MOVE MORE VERTICALLY.
A person could be a Hardy One Planer, and still have a TGM definition Plane Shift.
A golf student, especially teachers, could get some beneficial ideas from Mr. Hardy's ideas. To many TGMers, who are trained to have a very precise idea of the PHYSICS, and GEOMETRY in a golf stroke... the Hardy book may seem to have several holes in it. However, his ideas, have become very popular in some areas, so TGMers should probably know something about them. One of his players, Tom Pernice, has been playing very well as of late, as well as Olin Brown.
Hardy One Planer in TGMese... Rotated Shoulder Turn, Delayed Hip Turn, Minimal Axis Tilt, Right Arm in Punch Impact.
A good TGM instructor could probably figure out nearly any golf stroke, including One Planers.
Congruent planes are two different planes with the same angle in degrees....two parallel flat surfaces...Hardly Hardy !!!! Not one plane but two congruent planes.....so a one plane swing is two congruent planes...A Two Plane swing is a vertical + a horizontal that = an inclined plane that really means 3 planes...
so a one plane swing is a two congruent plane swing...
and a two plane swing is really a 3 plane swing...vertical + horizontal = inclined...
Hmmm...I'm just plane confused!?!?!
or am I?????
The plane that matters is the sweetspot plane......that is moving in angular motion...I agree with an earlier post!!!
I caddy on the tour and can tell you Olin Browne does not hit a fade. He also doesn't do exactly what Jim Hardy teaches. Those feels however have definitely helped Olin. He is very accurate. He was first on tour last year in proximity to the hole. I believe hardy has helped some tour players and hurt others. Unlike TGM, there is no basis for his findings other than his feels he used when he played the tour.
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