I had a couple of minutes at lunch to do this, so I hope it makes the point. I had to hurry; I had someone waiting.
You can get a perspective in how the camera angle changed by looking at my left foot. On the 10-5-A camera angle (on left), you can see more of my left foot. On the 10-5-E camera angle (on right), you can see less. The picture on the right has the camera looking down the plane that points out to right field.
Understand that the pictures are comparisons: 1&2, 3&4, and 5&6.
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Teddy...two camera angles of the same swing using 2 different cameras?....
Not the same swing. I had one camera to use and no time. But, I did one swing, moved it to the angle of approach, and shot another. When I have more time, I'll do the two camera gig.
Ted, this is a good time for me to clear something up that has been confusing me. I believe that I had read in previour posts that you like to set up a little open, is that open to your 10-5-E plane line? And would this give the look that your feet(maybe whole body?) was square to the 10-5-A line as seen by somebody standing directly behind you? Hope this question makes sense.
Ted, this is a good time for me to clear something up that has been confusing me. I believe that I had read in previour posts that you like to set up a little open, is that open to your 10-5-E plane line? And would this give the look that your feet(maybe whole body?) was square to the 10-5-A line as seen by somebody standing directly behind you? Hope this question makes sense.
Tim
My intent here was to use the Closed-Closed, with the idea to match the picture in the book. I do prefer to use the Closed-Open, in most of my play as it is one of the stance variations possible when using 10-5-E. I find that the Open stance restricts my stroke and enables me to stop at Top. I prefer to keep it as short as possible for all clubs. If I find myself taking it back too far, I find it increasingly difficult to sustain the thrust and the Loading changes. Even in taking these two videos, I found myself taking it back much farther that the position from which I like to play. In using the Closed-Closed, I find my hips are able to turn too freely.
With regard to your question, in 10-5-0 he says that "the second term refers to the Stance Line (Feet only) and denotes the relation of each Line to the Line of Flight." I play best from Closed-Open to Closed-Square. As a personal preference, I don't like the Closed-Closed.
Actually that helps a great deal, thanks Ted. A couple of other things that are still murky for me, I believe that it is mentioned that in Hitting one should used a progressivly closed clubface at address for longer and longer shots, I understand the rationale but closed compared to what? the plane line?
Also, which plane angle do you prefer to use in your pattern? Turned shoulder (10-6-B)?
Actually that helps a great deal, thanks Ted. A couple of other things that are still murky for me, I believe that it is mentioned that in Hitting one should used a progressivly closed clubface at address for longer and longer shots, I understand the rationale but closed compared to what? the plane line?
Also, which plane angle do you prefer to use in your pattern? Turned shoulder (10-6-B)?
Thanks for your patience Ted.
Tim
No worries. I happy to help, when I can.
The Clubhead has a Line of Flight. And, the ball has a Line of Flight, which is dependant on Clubface. The ball always leaves at a right angle to the Clubface, so the Clubface must be square to the ball Line of Flight at separation, not the 10-5-E Plane Line.
It's a dilemma for the novice Hitter, as most want to keep the Clubface square to the Plane Line. Even if they start correctly, they'll steer to match the two Lines of Flight. It seems rather instinctive.
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
No worries. I happy to help, when I can.
The Clubhead has a Line of Flight. And, the ball has a Line of Flight, which is dependant on Clubface. The ball always leaves at a right angle to the Clubface, so the Clubface must be square to the ball Line of Flight at separation, not the 10-5-E Plane Line.
It's a dilemma for the novice Hitter, as most want to keep the Clubface square to the Plane Line. Even if they start correctly, they'll steer to match the two Lines of Flight. It seems rather instinctive.
And, yes, I do use 10-6-B.
This thread is AMAZING! It's unbelievable how a change in prespective can demonstrate something that is so subtle that most gloss right over it when reading the book.
Two additional points to be explored . . .
1. Ted . . . do you think we could get a demonstration of the 10-5-E line versus the 10-5-A line from an OVERHEAD PERSPECTIVE? I think this would clearly show a definite relationship to the on-plane right forearm. And help people see the geometry.
2. We spoke awhile back about a geometric relationship between the 10-5-A line and the 10-5-E line . . . are you prepared to present us with your thesis? I would love to see it and I think it would go a long way to getting people to understand all this "how far out to right field" and "no visual equivalent to a visual equivalent" stuff.
I placed a portion of your post in bold . . . I think this is something that we all could benefit from by a bit more expansion on the subject . . . HOW DO YOU GET A "NEOPHITE" HITTER TO ABANDON THE FEAR OF NOT HAVING THE FACE SQUARE TO THE PLANE LINE AND MATCHING THE TWO LINES OF FLIGHT?
This thread is pure genius! Superb job on the camera work! This will clear a bunch of fog for many . . . if they are willing to read and understand.
Why does your Right Forearm at the Top look in-line with and directly opposed to the motion of the Loading Action of the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Clubshaft), as oppose to the entire Primary Lever Assembly (the Left Arm and Clubshaft)? I thought the latter is more suitable fo the Hitter (per 7-3).
Tong-Tong..I asked him the same question on the phone....perhaps it has more to do with elbow location...pitch versus punch.....remember the elbow location does not make hitting or swinging mutually exclusive...Nicklaus swung with punch...Miller Barber with Push....Is it possible to hit with pitch???
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