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Tripod Center Vote

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View Poll Results: Do you teach/prefer the Base of the Neck Pivot Center OR the Head Pivot Center?
Base of the neck 88 64.71%
Head 24 17.65%
It doesn't matter, the Golf Stroke doesn't need a Pivot Center 2 1.47%
They are both the same because the Head includes the Base of the Neck 22 16.18%
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Old 08-27-2006, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Well, Mike Finney,

Ryan Smither, my assistant golf professional, is the one who posted earlier. Just so you have your ducks in a row.
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Old 08-27-2006, 03:36 PM
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Well, Mike Finney, my sense of sight and balance, not to mention my hearing, smell and taste -- are all located in my Head. And 'touch' also filters through there on its way to recognition by me. To my mind, that's a pretty good reason to view the Head as Command Central for the senses and as a pretty important resource when striking a Golf Ball.

To tell you the truth, it's a whole lot easier for me to sense my Head than my 'Point-Between-the-Shoulders.' But maybe that's just me.

So what you're saying is...you smell your way to a steady head?

Thanks for the input.

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Old 08-27-2006, 04:14 PM
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Still or not still..........
The most important thing is to get the student to hit the ball better. If he does it by moving the head - fine. If he does it by having the head stationary - fine. We cannot all have it one way or the other.

Yoda,
in a another thread you say the following:

I strongly endorse Bill Mehlhorn's book.

In August 1990, I met Bobby Shave, the co-author and inspiration behind the book and the guy who recorded the sessions. [The book is basically a transcription of several Q&As with members of the Florida International University golf team in Miami.] Later, I spent time with him hitting shag balls and talkin' golf in an open field near his home in Homestead, Florida. Two years later, Hurricane Andrew destroyed the city, and I lost contact.

The personal history and stories are great -- Hagen, Hogan, Vardon, Sarazen, Diegel, Armour, Picard, Runyan, Bulla, Demaret, Locke, Boros, Jones...they're all there -- and to this day, I use several of his drills in most every Academy class and private lesson. Drill I educates the Pivot with its Weight Transfer. Drill II educates the Arms and Hands in their Body-Related Hinge Action. Drill III educates the Hands as to their Basic Fanning Motion. Drill IV, the Right Forearm Takeaway and return to Impact Fix. With Drill V, you can actually 'see' the Plane. Drills VI-XIII are more of the same, and Plate IX illustrates the golfing Ideal from a down-the-line view -- "the arms swinging up, down and up as the legs rotate the body."

Get the book.

Read it.

Study it.

You'll be glad you did.


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Well, Mehlhorn does not favour a starionary head, and if you use the drills with your students,especially the pivot drill, the head will move!
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Old 08-27-2006, 05:19 PM
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Steady head evidence
Ted Fort's video with water bottle on head goes some way to showing whether it is possible/ advisable/etc

BUT

did any of those white bobbles at titleist performance institute get placed on his head!! there went pretty well everywhere else!!

Any chance of seeing the promised photos please....

Thanks,

Typing with absolutely stationary head is not mandatory for typing procedure!! if not that bottle of water is going to short out my keyboard!!
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Old 08-27-2006, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
I got this idea from "another instructor" on "another site"....

His view is that it basically works like this when you turn around your spine:



The stick is in the BACK of the rocket....(just like the spine runs up the back of your torso and head)....

Now spin the rocket mentally....the stick is in the back....


The argument is that it basically gives you "something" to turn around (your SPINE) rather than nothing and also that it makes it easier to tilt in the downswing.
I wish it were as simple as this...

in theory.....

BUT... in application it does not and cannot....

Ever been to a Kinematics Lab?

For instance if the Pencil/Stick was in a Forward Bend of say 20 degrees and the Side Bend to the Right of 10 degrees the spine angle would stay the same....The head would've moved to the outside of the right foot and also moved up away from the golf ball....

Here at Campbell University we have several golf swings loaded in a 3D APAS Motion Analysis System which alllows us to view the golf stroke from any percpective of 360 degrees and gives us data in the X,Y,Z and 3D ....similar to that of TaylorMades MATT System...If I can figure out how to get one of the files to embedd here I will try to do so....
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Old 08-27-2006, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Here at Campbell University we have several golf swings loaded in a 3D APAS Motion Analysis System which alllows us to view the golf stroke from any percpective of 360 degrees and gives us data in the X,Y,Z and 3D ....similar to that of TaylorMades MATT System...If I can figure out how to get one of the files to embedd here I will try to do so....
That would be cool to see!

If I remember correctly Dr. Gideon Ariel developed this system. In my college days, I was a tennis instructor and was able to see his motion analysis of John Newcombe's tennis serve.

Ariel's pioneering work was applied to Track & Field for the USOC.
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Old 08-27-2006, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithers
So what you're saying is...you smell your way to a steady head?

Thanks for the input.


Great...another cart kid with an attitude
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Originally Posted by Smithers
So what you're saying is...you smell your way to a steady head?

Thanks for the input.

I can't believe you said that Smithers. This is a discussion, not a battle. All opinions are respected. This is an LBG Forum, not the "Dark Side".
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So what you're saying is...you smell your way to a steady head?

Thanks for the input.

That's PATHETIC
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Old 08-27-2006, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithers
In my opinion, it is counterintuitive to state that there is a sensory advantage to using the head pivot center, and yet still you (and Mr. Kelley) allow the head (and eyes) to rotate.
So you would keep your eyes on the ball ,not rotate your head-and find it counterintuitive to use the head as a pivot centre ,therefore you must advocate a sway.
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