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Old 01-16-2006, 07:38 PM
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This accumulator angle still confuses me. There are a number of points:-

I understand that the 3 accumulator angle does not affect the left arm flying wedge, but doesn't it affect the right arm flying wedge?
Wouldn't you need to change the plane angle to accomodate the 3 accumulator angle and maintain the right arm wedge?

Also, I don't really understand the pros and cons of incorporating this angle into any stroke - hitting or swinging. The Endless Belt Effect seems to suggest that the smaller the pulley(zero angle), the more clubhead speed generated. I think 6-B-3-A hints at the answer for hitting, but it is unclear to me. It would seem that, if swinging, there is no reason to incorporate this angle at all.


Could anyone help shed some light on any of these areas? This has me stumped.

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Old 01-16-2006, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bobbyj
This accumulator angle still confuses me. There are a number of points:-

I understand that the 3 accumulator angle does not affect the left arm flying wedge, but doesn't it affect the right arm flying wedge?
Wouldn't you need to change the plane angle to accomodate the 3 accumulator angle and maintain the right arm wedge?

Also, I don't really understand the pros and cons of incorporating this angle into any stroke - hitting or swinging. The Endless Belt Effect seems to suggest that the smaller the pulley(zero angle), the more clubhead speed generated. I think 6-B-3-A hints at the answer for hitting, but it is unclear to me. It would seem that, if swinging, there is no reason to incorporate this angle at all.


Could anyone held shed some light on any of these areas? This has me stumped.

Cheers

Bobby J

By definition, the wedges are set with the wrists in a 'level' condition. If you have a large accumulator #3 (low hands), you will not have a proper right forearm wedge at address.
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Old 01-17-2006, 01:29 PM
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I understand that the right arm flying wedge is set with a level right wrist. I thought the only condition of the left arm flying wedge was that it is ALWAYS positioned against the plane of the left wristcock motion (i.e a flat left wrist).
I can maintain the right arm wedge AND have a large #3 accumulator angle by holding the shaft in the heel of my left hand. I know that this creates a longer distance for the clubhead to travel during release, but I don't know of any reasons why this could be a good (or bad) thing.

If any #3 accumulator angle makes the "mandatory" right arm flying wedge "improper", then, as before, why would one be incorporated into any stroke? Also, per 6-B-3-A, Homer states ...there must always be a definite Accumulator #3 "Overtaking" Action.

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Old 01-18-2006, 02:24 AM
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The #3 Accumulator Overtaking Action: The Exception To The Rule
Originally Posted by bobbyj

Also, per 6-B-3-A, Homer states ...there must always be a definite Accumulator #3 "Overtaking" Action.
There must always be a definite Accumulator #3 'Overtaking' Action unless...

Accumulator #3 has been Zeroed out.

In which case, the Left Arm and Clubshaft are already In Line.

Hence, there can be no 'seeking to maintain the In Line condition' characteristic of the #3 Accumulator action.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:15 AM
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There must always be a definite Accumulator #3 'Overtaking' Action unless...

Accumulator #3 has been Zeroed out.

In which case, the Left Arm and Clubshaft are already In Line.

Hence, there can be no 'seeking to maintain the In Line condition' characteristic of the #3 Accumulator action.
I understand that this is the case when #3 accumulator is zeroed out - no travel, only clubface action.
I was just trying to emphasise the point that if a #3 accumulator angle makes the mandatory right arm wedge flying wedge improper, why would Homer have us use any accumulator #3 angle in the first place?

I thought the 'in line' requirement was just that of the left arm flying wedge (vertical plane), so, with or without #3 accumulator, we are always in line as long as we have a flat left wrist. If 'inline' meant zero #3 accumulator then the left arm would be on plane.

Also, I thought the 'overtaking' action that Homer described was the feel of the clubhead overtaking the hands due to release rotation whenever a #3 accumulator angle is employed. It is not actually overtaking, it just has a longer distance to travel when the #3 angle is large (large pulley). Please correct me if I am wrong

So, does anybody know why anyone would incorporate a #3 accumulator angle when swinging if a snap release and a small pulley provides maximum power? Shouldn't this angle be avoided?

And, when hitting, is this angle beneficial in some way? Should it be incorporated into all hitting procedures?

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Old 01-18-2006, 10:48 AM
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The Flying Wedges And The #3 Accumulator Angle
Originally Posted by bobbyj

I understand that the right arm flying wedge is set with a level right wrist. I thought the only condition of the left arm flying wedge was that it is ALWAYS positioned against the plane of the left wristcock motion (i.e a flat left wrist).
I can maintain the right arm wedge AND have a large #3 accumulator angle by holding the shaft in the heel of my left hand. I know that this creates a longer distance for the clubhead to travel during release, but I don't know of any reasons why this could be a good (or bad) thing.
You are correct, bobbj. And minimizing the #3 Angle serves only to enable the player to Delay longer the Release (and thus increase Clubhead Speed for any given Handspeed per 2-M-2-4). It alters nothing geometric.
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Old 01-18-2006, 10:51 AM
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Clearing #3 Accumulator Fog
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...if a #3 accumulator angle makes the mandatory right arm wedge flying wedge improper, why would Homer have us use any accumulator #3 angle in the first place?
It does not.
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Old 01-18-2006, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbyj

So, does anybody know why anyone would incorporate a #3 accumulator angle when swinging if a snap release and a small pulley provides maximum power? Shouldn't this angle be avoided?

And, when hitting, is this angle beneficial in some way? Should it be incorporated into all hitting procedures?
The Swinger greatly increases the Lag and produces a sharper, smoother Release Motion by bringing the #3 Accumulator into Impact with a Turned Left Wrist (not Vertical). This is the Left Hand Karate Chop -- palm down to the Plane -- through the Line of Sight to the Ball before the Release Trigger. The simultaneous Right Hand Karate Chop brings the Turned Right Hand (with its palm up to the Plane) through the Line of Sight to the Ball before Triggering.

Though the Hitter does not normally employ the Snap Roll into Impact (Release Swivel), he nevertheless benefits from the Overtaking Action of the #3 Accumulator. Accordingly, as you suggest, he should incorporate it into those Strokes requiring more than minimal Power.
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Old 01-18-2006, 06:45 PM
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So zero #3 accumulator, although producing maximum clubhead speed, can produce erratic release rhythm, decrease clubhead lag pressure and therefore produce less consistant results?

Too much #3 accumulator will create an early release, and although having increased lag and rhythm control, will reduce clubhead speed?

If the above is correct, would the best compromise be small #3 accumulator angle when hitting and swinging?
When hitting, would a larger #3 accumulator be beneficial because of the angled hinging nature of the stroke? i.e smaller amount of clubhead travel at release can be increased by a larger angle?

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Old 01-18-2006, 07:06 PM
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Out Of The #3 Accumulator Fog
Originally Posted by bobbyj

So zero #3 accumulator, although producing maximum clubhead speed, can produce erratic release rhythm, decrease clubhead lag pressure and therefore produce less consistant results?

Too much #3 accumulator will create an early release, and although having increased lag and rhythm control, will reduce clubhead speed?

If the above is correct, would the best compromise be small #3 accumulator angle when hitting and swinging?
When hitting, would a larger #3 accumulator be beneficial because of the angled hinging nature of the stroke? i.e smaller amount of clubhead travel at release can be increased by a larger angle?
1. Zero #3 Accumulator produces minimum Clubhead Speed; can and should be executed with perfect Rhythm; with any degree of Lag Pressure from light to heavy; and properly executed will produce consistent results. In other words, exactly the opposite of everything you said. But we're gettin' there!

2. An increased #3 Accumulator (from the Level condition of the Left Wrist) will require an earlier Release, but only slightly earlier. This can be offset with a higher Handspeed. All degrees of Accumulator #3 (from Zero to Maximum) should be executed with perfect Rhythm, i.e., the Hands and Club should move at the identical Angular Speed (RPM). This will happen when you keep your Left Wrist Flat through Impact.

3. Hitters and Swingers can use the same amount of #3 Accumulator Angle. Just grip the Club slightly under the heel pad of the Left Hand (not way down deep in the fingers) and you've got it.
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