Interestingly, I do not see these extremes in the unposedAaron Baddeley Driver Stroke Sequence on the title page. Also, his perfectly-centered address position on page 120 (compare to Bennett's address in the 'stack and tilt setup'). Therefore, it is always possible that the article's demonstrations and descriptions are exaggerations intended as a 'means to an end' and not the intended end itself. For example, Bennett's obviously forward-of-middle head position at address, the top and in the start down. Also, Plummer's 'tilt and stretch' Master Moves. Then again, if that were the case, the "New Tour Swing" would not be so "radical" after all.
If teachers want to teach the 'Left tilt, load-up the left foot and push off' model, that's fine by me. And if players want to use it, that's cool, too. However, readers should be advised that it does not reflect the ideal of an Uncompensated Stroke as defined in The Golfing Machine, and any representation to the contrary is inaccurate.
The posed pictures are a joke. I have worked with page designers and editors hell bent on exaggerating pictures to "illustrate" a concept that in my opinion unfairly represents the instruction. The sequence camera captures the real centered motion. The picture were to illustrate the 'feeling.' Don't teach feelings- teach alignments. Feel what you want after the alignments. The graphics editor should not have used such large photographs to illustrate a feel instead of an alignment or even a fixed position.
Just my two and half cents- I have always been a odds with page designers when illustrating my instruction photos.
The poses and the practice swings are "exxxxxagerations" as for the "real thing" it's very centered and stable...how do I know?...I've been traveling with the infamous duo for the last two events... Aaron's actual motion is very centered stabled and very on plane with a very controlled Arc of Approach procedure...
Bucket ./...your right ...my sequence is what they are teaching...
Yoda...you've seen it live and yes ..might right forearm is not on plane at address...but you know it is at impact....
Why the jumping or extension?...try vertical forces and torques from the ground up to magnify the "wallop"....
You see...those on the outside think this article is all they teach...
I watched Andy manipulate the "Line of Compression" via the power package release sequence with Aaron to control the Arc of Attack, Arc of Approach, and the Rate of Closure of the clubface as it goes around the Hinge Assembly...If that ain't TGM...then I don't know anything about the "Machine Concept"
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The poses and the practice swings are "exxxxxagerations" as for the "real thing" it's very centered and stable...how do I know?...I've been traveling with the infamous duo for the last two events... Aaron's actual motion is very centered stabled and very on plane with a very controlled Arc of Approach procedure...
You see...those on the outside think this article is all they teach...
I watched Andy manipulate the "Line of Compression" via the power package release sequence with Aaron to control the Arc of Attack, Arc of Approach, and the Rate of Closure of the clubface as it goes around the Hinge Assembly...If that ain't TGM...then I don't know anything about the "Machine Concept"
Thanks, David. I know that magazine 'authors' often have no control of camera and pen. And as I stated in my post, Aaron's Motion did not reflect the exaggerated poses in the article. That is why I left the gate open.
I'll be on the tee next week at the AT&T Classic in Atlanta. If either Andy or Mike is there, maybe they would be willing to shed further light on what the article said and illustrated vs. what they really teach. Meanwhile, the ardent seeker without TOUR access is left searching for the truth.
Thanks for your insights.
P.S. Sorry I missed you in Richmond. We must have been only minutes apart. Next time!
I have absolutely no problem with exaggeration for the purposes of instruction, so long as it is clarified as such. If it is not clarified, then the student will likely misunderstand the model. In this way, exaggeration can be counterproductive and cause the student to unknowingly traverse the wrong path.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Thanks Drew....I've been very busy...Traveling and lessons...haven't had much down time ...Plus...I think LBG has pretty much covered almost all the cool topics in the book....You don't have to post much...just link to previous posts.....This place is like a Library!!!!
Did Slammin Sammy..."Stack and Tilt" ?
or "The Hawk"
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nice photos dave.good to se you again in richmond.sounds like the discussion you and i had in richmond.i have played with hogan and watched snead hit balls.notice how bens hips have turned level and his flex has maintained in the backswing.as for snead i beleive in your photo he is using hickory shafts.look at the videos on this site.snead maintained his flex in his right knee also.as i told you i dont think the p-b swing is the most efficient way to swing.too many extra moves.sure bads gets his right forearm on plane at impact,but why not start there.
my other question would be,why dont they teach tracing a straight line.a hand controlled pivot is much more efficient than pivot controlled hands.also do you think that any of their players could go from hitting to swinging.i dont think so.but if you trace a staight line and use a hand controlled pivot a player would have the ability too.
hitters dont use their legs to thrust the club.i can say they have had great success with their players.and being a tour player myself that it all that matters.in all fairness i would like to see MR.KELLY'S WORK DISPLAYED THE WAY HE INTENDED.that is why i have so much admiration for lynn.tgm has had a bad rap for 30 years. everyone needs to get on the same page especially if you are going to say you teach the MACHINE.REMEMBER THERE ARE THREE IMPERATIVES TO THE MACHINE.i dont see these in tilt and stack.
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