911 I need YOUR help; Short irons=Lasers, Long Irons=??????

[300Drive]

Why is it that I can hit laser like penetraing short irons with that wonderful ball-turf "click" sound, however, drive and long irons....dont work.

Driver and long irons=low hard hooks

Or the evil opposite twin of the overcompensated push-slice, to avoid looking at the low hook.

Are there any ususal suspects I should check first?

I need help

[Mathew]

Why is it that I can hit laser like penetraing short irons with that wonderful ball-turf "click" sound, however, drive and long irons....dont work.

Driver and long irons=low hard hooks

Or the evil opposite twin of the overcompensated push-slice, to avoid looking at the low hook.

Are there any ususal suspects I should check first?

I need help

Are your hands vertical to the ground at impact?

When your hands are vertical to the ground at impact is your clubface in the correct positioning ?

Also check your plane line.

[SECGolf]

I had/still have the same problem, although you can substitute dead pulls for the hooks. So I've done some thinking.

My first thought is over acceleration. If you have a long shot, the thought is to hit it hard, thus over acceleration (from the top). For hitting especially, the correct thought is slower start down with a gradual build up of acceleraton. With the over acceleration you end up coming over the plane line.

My second thought (related): Have my long irons and driver just really been exposing any "faults" related to my hands and flying wedges? Do I need just to continue consistent and correct work on my hands and flying wedges (for me, 10-5-E plane line tracing with #3 pressure point, or visually covering the line with my club head)? Are my short irons really that perfect? What about my chips? Putting? If I'm not very, very good with the shorter clubs, certainly I'll be inconsistent with the longer clubs.

So, with these thoughts, for the last couple of weeks, I started to play the regular mens' tees (as opposed to back tees). Other than the driver, I won't hit below a seven iron. I can definitely see the improvement, especially when I have "tested" myself by hitting a long iron. Additionally for "homework," I've been tracing 10-5-E with PP #3 with no club. Do this and watch that right hip clear.

Finally for these problems, this passage has been a great help:

"The Accumulator #3 motion must be accommodated in the Impact alignment or it will (with great loss of Power) produce a Quitting of the Hand motion and/or a Quitting of the Overtaking action in an effort to avoid Pulled shots. That wilted feeling of a "Blocked Out" Stroke is a tip-off of a faulty Approach Angle." (from 6-B-3-O)

Really explains my pull/hook, slice cycle. To me the key to the passage is "faulty Approach Angle." That is what I need to work on.

And as always, reviewing and getting Chapter 5 in the mind has helped.

[nuke99]

The cause and effect I can add beside our beloved Matthew.. I know this cause I suffer from these before ..

The cause Hip turns too fast or too far ahead of the arms in the downswing and the hand is playing catchup. or too much axis tilt that goes too much underplane and the hands wants to square it. ( I think this could be the problem.. since its push slice is the evil twin)


Or bent plane line after impact too much to the left which may be caused by not enough Axis tilt or round housing, or trying to swing too much left . that the flat left wrist is forced to do a throwaway. ( if the tendency is a pull, or deep divots on short irons or hit fats most likely the problem is here,)

of course there should be other causes.. but my knowledge is limited