What if one just went to the strong double action grip?
DRW
The player can always "X" up his Pattern as desired (1-K). The Strong Double Action produces automatic Angled Hinging, and its Paddlewheel action of the Right Forearm has been used by many of history's great players. Nevertheless...
The Golfing Machine mandates the Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B per 12-1/2-0 and 12-5-0).
Is correct....Strong Single Action is correct under normal swinging or hitting conditions using horizontal hinging or angled hinging....
The normal application for a Strong Double Action would be for a cut shot just like it says in the book....Ben Doyle in his video "How to Build a Golf Game" simply gripped his club in the Strong Single Action position then turned his hands to the right which put his hands in a Strong Double Action alignment with the clubface in a wide-open condition.....this condition of the hands and clubface will produce a natural cut shot with vertical hinging....
It's amazing what a little imagination will do with TGM.
What if one just went to the strong double action grip?
DRW
The player can always "X" up his Pattern as desired (1-K). The Strong Double Action produces automatic Angled Hinging, and its Paddlewheel action of the Right Forearm has been used by many of history's great players. Nevertheless...
The Golfing Machine mandates the Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B per 12-1/2-0 and 12-5-0).
So why would Mr. Kelley not quarrel with a player mixing the Standard and Single wrist actions?
So why would Mr. Kelley not quarrel with a player mixing the Standard and Single wrist actions?
In Single and Standard Wrist Action, the Hosel and the Sweet Spot are both On Plane at the Top. However, during the Start Down, the Hitter's Clubshaft -- and Hosel - immediately begin to rotate around the Sweet Spot as he applies the Roll of Angled Hinging in his return to the Ball (10-18-C-2).
With the Swinger's Standard Wrist Action, the Hosel and Sweet Spot remain On Plane during the Start Down as he applies his Left Hand Karate Chop to the Ball. This helps the player whose sense of Clubhead Lag -- Sweet Spot inertia -- is underdeveloped and who therefore tends to start the heavy Hosel toward the Ball (instead of the Sweet Spot). In other words, Standard Wrist Action serves the less-skilled Hitter as Anti-Shank insurance.
But remember, in my prior post's reference to the use of Standard Wrist Action in the Start Down, I bolded the word initiate. As soon as the Sweet Spot has begun its Down Plane journey and the Right Shoulder Turn has taken up the initial Clubhead inertia (Lag) and begun the Power Package Acceleration, it is time for the Hitter's Right Triceps to assume command and begin his Simultaneous -- not Sequenced -- Release.
Quote is incorrect....LIGAMENT DAMAGE IS IN REFERENCE TO HITTERS in 7-19.
Dave,
Not to be argumentative. The quote is not incorrect. 7-19, last sentence: "So, if there is a twinge in the elbow, you are Swinging with your right arm."
The hitters striaght line piston motion negates injury (to the degree injury can be negated...in otherwards, I would think it is safer). I have never known a boxer with elbow ligament issues, but tons of pitchers - especially side arm, that do.
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Right Arm swingers...
Jodie Mudd
Ernie Els
Retief Goosen
DG
In my opinion, Els and Goosen are positively, absolutely, without a doubt Not right arm swinging at all. The center of there stroke is the left shoulder for both of them - start to finish. I would see them as manipulated swingers.
...who would use just their left arm when they have a right arm that will accelerate the club faster then the left.....daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Just go read Ernie's book...then watch the Tomasello video.....it's the same swinging action...
I'm sorry Patrick, I accelerate the club with my right arm but the swing arc is still my left shoulder with an automatic Snap release.....if I sweep release the arc changes to my right elbow.....study 10-20-B about early and late releases....
WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF YOUR NATURALLY STRONG ARM.....
ABC's commmentor Baker-Finch made the comment about Goosen being ALL RIGHT ARM in a slow motion analysis of Retief's swing....I'm sure Retief told Finch that he uses his right arm to start the downswing....just like Els and.....Penick....just checkout the "Magic Move" in the little red book....
Isn't a manipulated hands swinger just a swinger who is using something other than horizontal hinging? I don't think that necessarily means they have to be a right arm swinger. Can't a right arm swinger still use horizontal hinging?
Isn't a manipulated hands swinger just a swinger who is using something other than horizontal hinging? I don't think that necessarily means they have to be a right arm swinger. Can't a right arm swinger still use horizontal hinging?
Manipulated swinging has no bearing on hinge action. A manipulated swinger is manipulating his left hand to get into an impact fix location (or e whatever location he/she chooses) at impact versus a true swinger, whom lets centrifugal force line the left hand at impact - which makes ball location so critical for true swinging. The key is a manipulated swinger is not solely using centrifugal force to line up the hands - there is some manipulation involved to get to their intended hand position, whereas the true swinger relies on centrifugal force only.
Yes, a right arm swinger can use horizontal, vertical or angled hinging.
They are entirely different animals. Manipulated refers to the hand location and how that location is arrived at - via centrifugal force only or by manipulating the hands to get to a location. 'Manipulation' is not a negative connotation in this regards. Right arm swinging refers to replacing the left shoulder as the swing center with the right elbow. A right arm swinger could be a manipulated or true swinger.
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
I'm sorry Patrick, I accelerate the club with my right arm but the swing arc is still my left shoulder with an automatic Snap release.....if I sweep release the arc changes to my right elbow.....study 10-20-B about early and late releases.
10-20 is trigger types for beginning the release of the power package and as far as I know, that is the only implication of that section - to define when the power package begins to release, or is triggered into releasing. I cannot see how this would have any bearing on the center of the stroke.
Dave, we just disagree. Again, I only wanted to give another point of view.
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