Where are you coming up with this stuff about manipulating swinging....
I'll take back my comment about manipulating swinging = Right Arm swinging.....based on your comments about manipulated swinging....we're talking about two different things...
Philly wrote:
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They are entirely different animals. Manipulated refers to the hand location and how that location is arrived at - via centrifugal force only or by manipulating the hands to get to a location. 'Manipulation' is not a negative connotation in this regards. Right arm swinging refers to replacing the left shoulder as the swing center with the right elbow. A right arm swinger could be a manipulated or true swinger
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Patrick,
We don't disgree....yes, manipulated swinging would be with a non-automatic release....that's what I have been saying....I have been saying that for months now.....
The 'manipulation' of the Hands Manipulated Swinging Stroke -- the Left Wrist Flat, Level and Vertical at Impact (with the Clubface aligned slightly Open) versus the Club's normal Straightaway Flight point -- occurs when the Grip is taken at Impact Fix and not during the Stroke.
In other words, after the Grip is taken, Centrifugal Force rules.
I watched and listened to Ian Baker-Finch's analysis of Retief's swing last weekend on ABC....Retief is using an arm swing......Ian's comment was "IT's ALL RIGHT ARM"....
My shot pattern with the right arm swing is straight or a slight draw....
TOMORROW NIGHT....GO TO A BORDERS OR BARNES AND NOBLE BOOK STORE AND CHECKOUT ERNIE ELS BOOK " HOW to Build a Classic Golf Swing"....read pages 41 and 126....
Re: When Does The Swinger's Hand Manipulation Occur?
Originally Posted by Yoda
The 'manipulation' of the Hands Manipulated Swinging Stroke -- the Left Wrist Flat, Level and Vertical at Impact (with the Clubface aligned slightly Open) versus the Club's normal Straightaway Flight point -- occurs when the Grip is taken at Impact Fix and not during the Stroke.
In other words, after the Grip is taken, Centrifugal Force rules.
Hogan transitions from a cupped Left Wrist to Arched from Release to Impact. This results in a dynamic manipulation of the Hinge Action, which overrides that which would happen with CF alone.
Re: When Does The Swinger's Hand Manipulation Occur?
Originally Posted by Yoda
The 'manipulation' of the Hands Manipulated Swinging Stroke -- the Left Wrist Flat, Level and Vertical at Impact (with the Clubface aligned slightly Open) versus the Club's normal Straightaway Flight point -- occurs when the Grip is taken at Impact Fix and not during the Stroke.
In other words, after the Grip is taken, Centrifugal Force rules.
Lynn,
Maybe you could shed some more light.
Here is how I learned it in a crude way (crude meaning how I express it):
Manipulation refers to driving the hands to their impact hand location. In your example, if once the impact alignments are established and there was no thought or attempt to drive them to a certain location and centrifugal force ruled, why would there even be a need to align them at impact fix? Centrifugal force will automatically align the clubface for horizontal hinging, and ball placement rather then hand placement, would be the key factor for directional control.
Conversely, by not allowing centrifugal force to rule, and by driving the hands to a specific location we get an intended result. Of course, this is all preprogrammed as well before the start down.
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