Note: Im not TGM, but what would you say if the down cocking happens with slow down of hands-arm-shoulder ect. I think thats what your getting at. So am I right on the point if the down happens the out (pivot) will. Is it not? What would happen if the right arm is out of place (off plane) is that what you ment by steer? or roll out.
The reason I say this- lots of players I see over accelerate the hands and or right arm .
Kinda. Here's what I'm saying . . . imagine you have a string with a weight on the end. You start swinging it around in a circle with some of the string still left in your hand. Now you let some of the string out so the radius effectively just got longer. Assuming uniform circular motion (you don't add torque or force to speed it up), angular momentum will be conserved. So when you had the relatively smaller circle the weight traveled faster in terms of RPMs. But once you extended the radius the RPMs (angular velocity) DECREASED inorder to conserve angular momentum (=MassXAngularVelocityXRadius). The mass is constant so when the radius gets bigger or smaller as a result the RPMs must increase or decrease accordingly. BUT . . . with the larger radius you are picking up Tangential Velocity as a result of the weight being farther from the center of rotation.
So basically radius increases then angular velocity decreases BUT tangential speed increases. This is what Homer meant by Surface Speed. The RPM of the entire system is decreasing as the radius is extended but clubhead speed surface speed increases geometrically as a result of the EXTENSION and not the effort to create more handspeed.
This is why Homer said the Swinger needs a quick start down. As a result of the lever assembly being out-of-line due to wrist cock it is easier to accelerate because its moment of inertia is smaller (think of the string deal with the smaller circle). With a smaller radius you can really get the thing whipping around (accelerating angularly) fast. So you have jacked up the rpms of the system via the out of line condition (shortened radius). Then as the lever assembly gets extented via the uncocking surface speed gets multiplied because the clubhead is further from the center. Thus Homer says the Swinger cranks the gyroscope and then just hangs on. You don't need to "add" you just need to EXTEND. The extension is the mechanical advantage via the conservation of angular momentum. It is LAW. Law don't take no lunch breaks.
Now as far as the steering question. Yes. I think the right arm can certianly cause steering (bending the plane line). But what I was talking about was the #3 accumulator left wrist rolling. I tend to roll it left thus bending the plane line rather than rolling it ON THAT LINE. See the video below . . .
I think you are correct. However, I think throw out must happen on-plane . . . so it is On-Plane Throw Out. Throw Out can certainly be given over to CF for sure. But I think that many (me included) neglect to understand that the #3 Accumulator Roll/Swivel prior to Low Point is an OUTWARD motion. One of the most difficult things to learn is to Roll and Swivel while maintaining a relationship to straight Plane Line. I'm not sure that you can just turn that over to CF at least in the steeper learning curve portion of a G.O.L.F.er's life. If you Roll and Swivel underplane you just executed the #1 Snare . . . Steering. Uncock (extend the lever) down and out on plane to the plane line . . . roll out on plane to low point.
But the Tangential Velocity (linear velocity) is increasing because the point of the radius is farther from the center of the circle.
I agree 110% about the need to "roll on line" and the associated difficultly. However, I lean very, very, much to strictly keeping identities separate. Throwout is what it is - cetrifugal force generated by the massive rotar (body). Keep this force related to any plane you choose by maintaining clubhead lag pressure and tracing with the #3 pressure point (passive use of clubhead lag pressure). Swinger's release swivel is what it is - actual rotation of hands, forearms. #3 Accumulator roll/hinge action is what it is. IDEALLY release swivel, # 3 accumulator roll/hinge action, specifically, simply ride one's chosen plane. Cetainly, executing these actions incorrectly, or adding to their identity can cause off plane motion (eg over-roll). So I don't know if I'd say #3 accumulator roll, swivel are Outward motions. They are what they are. Thiinking of these as outward motions, I believe, would cause over roll. Plane on which you direct force dictates outward. Perform swivel/ hinge action on this plane.
Great stuff about Tangential Velocity (linear velocity) - another thing I have to study.
I would only add that for me the uncocking is a byproduct of the motion. The feel I get is that the left wrist cocks and remains so until both arms are straight. I can feel different hinge geometry, but not the uncocking its own self.
I agree 110% about the need to "roll on line" and the associated difficultly. However, I lean very, very, much to strictly keeping identities separate. Throwout is what it is - cetrifugal force generated by the massive rotar (body). Keep this force related to any plane you choose by maintaining clubhead lag pressure and tracing with the #3 pressure point (passive use of clubhead lag pressure). Swinger's release swivel is what it is - actual rotation of hands, forearms. #3 Accumulator roll/hinge action is what it is. IDEALLY release swivel, # 3 accumulator roll/hinge action, specifically, simply ride one's chosen plane. Cetainly, executing these actions incorrectly, or adding to their identity can cause off plane motion (eg over-roll). So I don't know if I'd say #3 accumulator roll, swivel are Outward motions. They are what they are. Thiinking of these as outward motions, I believe, would cause over roll. Plane on which you direct force dictates outward. Perform swivel/ hinge action on this plane.
Great stuff about Tangential Velocity (linear velocity) - another thing I have to study.
We are not at odds on this for sure . . . My postion as far as the OUT deal is this . . . I think I have been rolling underplane and for me it has to be OUT. And it is OUT as a result of going downplane on plane. So you are correct.
The only thing about swinging though is things happen so fast when the club changes ends that keeping the identies of swivel hinge swivel separate is difficult particularly with snap releases. So for me it is SLING it down and out on plane. I am having to focus on out because there ain't enough out there.
So basically radius increases then angular velocity decreases BUT tangential speed increases. This is what Homer meant by Surface Speed. The RPM of the entire system is decreasing as the radius is extended but clubhead speed surface speed increases geometrically as a result of the EXTENSION and not the effort to create more handspeed.
This is why Homer said the Swinger needs a quick start down. As a result of the lever assembly being out-of-line due to wrist cock it is easier to accelerate because its moment of inertia is smaller (think of the string deal with the smaller circle). With a smaller radius you can really get the thing whipping around (accelerating angularly) fast. So you have jacked up the rpms of the system via the out of line condition (shortened radius). Then as the lever assembly gets extented via the uncocking surface speed gets multiplied because the clubhead is further from the center. Thus Homer says the Swinger cranks the gyroscope and then just hangs on. You don't need to "add" you just need to EXTEND. The extension is the mechanical advantage via the conservation of angular momentum. It is LAW. Law don't take no lunch breaks.
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Which brings into question the often mentioned 'straight left arm'.
Indeed, there are multiple consistency benefits of extensor action, but properly understood and utilized, allowing a bent left arm is a power source.
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I would only add that for me the uncocking is a byproduct of the motion. The feel I get is that the left wrist cocks and remains so until both arms are straight. I can feel different hinge geometry, but not the uncocking its own self.
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