You wrote-: "Now at startdown;
- to do a 4 barrel, start by actively doing a shoulder turn and thereby moving pp4 and then 1,2,3
Here the right shoulder is active
- to do a 3 barrel, start by moving pp1 and then 2,3
Here the right shoulder is passive and the acc4 is zeroed out, is does nothing but allows other things to happen."
I have a great problem with your triple barrel swing action description. You are implying that one can start a hitting action by immediately releasing PA#1 without moving the power package assembly closer to the ball by means of an active right shoulder movement. That's impossible because one would run out of right arm and the hands could not reach impact fix alignment.
An analogy - imagine a boxer trying to knock-out his opponent with a right arm straightening action - a straight line right arm thrust aimed directly at his opponent's chin. There is one potential problem - if the distance between his right shoulder and the opponent's chin at the time of releasing his PA#1 is greater than the length of the straightened right arm, then his fist will not reach his opponent's chin. He needs to thrust his right shoulder forward while he releases PA#1 so that he can execute the knock-out blow.
I think that the right shoulder always has to actively move downplane before PA#1 is released - whether it is a triple barrel or four barrel hitting action.
Thanks for your input. Due to your input (including a personal communication), I think that I now understand the difference between a four barrel and a triple barrel hitter's action. I will describe the difference in my personal words and you, and others, can correct me if I am wrong.
In a triple barrel hitter's action the right shoulder moves closer to the ball before PA#1 releases, but not due to an active thrust of the right shoulder downplane. It occurs because the lower body shifts-rotates towards the ball and the sliding of the pelvis causes the entire torso (including the right shoulder) to move towards the ball. In that sense, the movement of the right shoulder towards the ball is passive, and the left arm moves to the same degree as the right shoulder so there is no increased pressure at PP#4.
In a four barrel hitter's action, an independent right shoulder thrust occurs at the start of the downswing that is independent (and supplementary) of the passive movement of the right shoulder that occurs secondary to the hip slide movement that occurs simultaneously. That independent/active right shoulder thrust movement increases pressure at PP#4 and thereby activates the release of PA#4. Shortly thereafter, PA#1 releases and drives the release of PA#2 and PA#3. Therefore, the total action is a four barrel action.
I think you got it right on your last post.
I've been experimenting a while since our last debate a few weeks ago on 4 barrel and I must say that I come to the same conclusions.
I would add something I found very important while executing a 4 barrel hit:
part 1) The blast of the chest of the left arm actively releases PA#4. At this point it is pretty much the same thing as you would do if swinging (regardless of the hinge which would be angled instead of horizontal)
part 2) Then I discovered that to hit the bull’s-eye every time, it is vital to activate the right arm trust at the precise moment when your right foream comes in line with the aiming point.
Why ?
Imagine a 4 barrel hitting as a Hit Stroke initially propelled by centrifugal force (active right shoulder throw + pressure on #4).
In that motion, technically speaking, the Launching Pad of the hitter is STILL THERE but is spinning as a flywheel instead of staying still.
It implies that timing is crucial and that you must drive against your right shoulder (spinning!!!) at the precise moment when your right forearm comes in line with the aiming point (usually the ball).
Of course, it's easier if your right elbow is set in a punch condition (but no problem here because it's a hit stroke!).
It certainly makes sense that a four barrel hitting stroke requires more timing than a triple barrel stroke, because PA#1 has to launch from a right shoulder which is in a state of active motion. That's presumably why a four barrel hitting stroke may only work well for certain hitters.
I presume that you made typo mistake when you said that the right elbow must be in a push position (rather than a punch position) because a push action (10-3-C) is not used in a full hitting stroke.
I presume that you made typo mistake when you said that the right elbow must be in a push position (rather than a punch position) because a push action (10-3-C) is not used in a full hitting stroke.
Oops, you are right, I corrected it!
Comming back to 4 barrel: have you tried it?
Do you feel it difficult to do?
If the gain was so little as stated by Homer why Ted (the Hitter's poster's boy) would be using it instead of 3 barrel?
My intuition is that maybe it is easier to do as it seems and maybe the rewards are greater than Homer thought?
I am new to TGM and although I have tried the hitting technique I do not have a good hitting technique - I am therefore not sufficiently well-informed to comment on the pros and cons of a four barrel hitting action. Hopefully, accomplished hitters (like Ted) will comment on the pros and cons of a four barrel hitting action.
I am new to TGM and although I have tried the hitting technique I do not have a good hitting technique - I am therefore not sufficiently well-informed to comment on the pros and cons of a four barrel hitting action. Hopefully, accomplished hitters (like Ted) will comment on the pros and cons of a four barrel hitting action.
Jeff.
We're doing family things, today. So, I'll try to offer my 2 cents a little later...
Thanks in advance Ted, we really enjoy your insights.
(Wondering what a Hitter could do on his WeekEnds? Probably taking care of his garden, digging around with his right arm to plant flowers with his family? How cute! )
instead of staying still.
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