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Originally Posted by Richw
In the picture comparison of Yoda and Hogan in the gallery, note how the right elbow has tucked back into the right side? This no doubt is a result of the proper sequencing, but if one were to work on this move what would you suggest??
I've noticed that in video, my right elbow does not return to my side quite so neatly. My feeling is that I need to work on delivery path and aiming point, but aside from that are there any suggestions?
Be careful about exaggerating the Pitch as shown in 10-3-B. Too many people try to 'tuck the elbow' and get into accumulator lag, where the right arm never straightens. Trust me; I've been there.
I'll give you a little drill to support the proper positioning for the use of a Snap Release. Place your left hand in front of your body and place it palm to plane (as in a start-up swivel). A start-up swivel is preparation for the use of a release swivel. "As it goes up, so it tends to come down."
With your left hand palm to plane, place your right forearm flying wedge under and against the left. When you're palm to palm, notice the position of the right elbow. You are in Pitch. Instead of trying to change the elbow, try to keep your left hand palm to plane longer. In fact, take the 'karate chop' past your line of sight to the ball. It's a maximum trigger delay.
P.S. Don't tell anybody I talked about swinging. I'll be ostracized from the hitters emergency room.
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Understanding the Swinger's Right Arm Participation -- Real Vs. Feel
Originally Posted by Jeff
Maybe that is why Hogan "wished he had three right hands". He wished that he could get the club to move faster in the late downswing, but practical common-sense probably made him realize that his swing was already optimized for maximum clubhead speed generation., and that any attempt to add extra swing power in the late downswing was not practically possible for a swinger who had a perfected triple barrel 4:2;3 swing.
Great thread; lots to learn here. Thanks to all who are participating.
Jeff, I understand and agree with your premise regarding the Swinger's passive Right Arm participation. But for me, it does not explain Hogan's desire for "three right hands". In fact, the whole notion of 'passive right arm' conflicts with it.
Here's my view:
As do all good players, Hogan sensed tremendous Clubhead Lag Pressure Point Pressure from Release to the end of the Follow-Through ('Through the Ball' per 7-24). He felt this Lag Pressure (Acceleration Rate / 2-M-2 #1) in his #3 Pressure Point (first joint of the Right Hand forefinger) and wanted more. Alas, since Clubhead Inertia can withstand all the Lag Pressure anyone can generate (7-19), there was no 'more' to get. Thus, with only one right hand, Hogan felt deficient.
Further, though Clubhead Lag Pressure only indirectly drives (7-11) the Club through Impact, it is nonetheless a dominant Feel. In fact, creating and maintaining this Lag Pressure (1-L #7) is no less than The Secret of Golf (6-C-2-0 / - A). And this indirect drive at Pressure Point #3 -- Right Hand -- is transmitted via the passive Power Accumulator #1 -- Right Elbow (6-C-2-C / 10-11-0-3).
All of which explains the Swinger's Feel ("describable sensation" per 1-J and 3-B) of the "stiff-wristed Right Forearm Slap" (Major Basic Stroke / 10-3-B) and the mantra of The Golfing Machine:
Sustain the Lag! [3-F-7-B]
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Sustaining Versus Creating Lag
Originally Posted by Jeff
I presume that when you state "stiff-wristed right forearm slap" that you are not implying an active release of power accumulator #1 (due to an isotonic contraction of the right triceps muscle), but rather a well-sequenced release of power accumulator #4, and then PA #2, synchronously combined with the optimum amount of isometric contraction of the right arm/forearm muscles that allows a golfer to sustain the lag.
Exactly right.
Moreover, I am referring to the Swinger's Feel -- monitored in the Right Forearm and Pressure Point #3 -- of sustaining (not creating) Lag Pressure 'Through the Ball'. This Lag Pressure is the indirect drive of the Clubhead (7-11), and its associated Accumulator #3 Action (Clubhead Overtaking) is the product of the passive Accumulator #1, i.e., the straightening Right Elbow per 7-3, 7-20, 6-B-3-0 and 10-11-0-3.
In my own case, my Right Forearm through Impact feels as if I am pressing the palm of my right hand on the inside of a doorway (with the Pivot and its Right Shoulder leading the action), but the doorway won't move. Presumably, this is the "optimum amount of isometric contraction" to which you refer.
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Caveat Emptor For Swingers
I strongly suggest that Swingers attempting to monitor the Right Forearm Slap of the Major Basic Stroke (7-3; 10-3-B) first firmly secure the last three fingers of the Left Hand (Pressure Point #2) when taking the Grip. Then, maintain that Pressure throughout the Stroke, especially at the Top during the Left Wrist Loading (accomplished by the Pivot per 7-12, 7-19, 7-20 and 10-19-C).
Otherwise, it is all to easy for any 'Right-Sided' Action to degenerate into Throwaway (6-D-0/1/2/3) with its disastrous consequences.
For a 'through Impact' drill, do the 'doorway' drill mentioned above, only use the back of the Left Hand (and the Flat Left Wrist) against the door jamb's resistance. Feel the Pivot pulling the Left Arm.
Of course, the same thing is happening with the Right Arm: It is being Pulled by the Body, its rotation and the ultimating Centrifugal Force. But, it is easy for the player's Right Hand to mistake this Pull - against the Lag Pressure it generates -- as a Push.
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 11-14-2012 at 12:12 AM.
With a Bent and Level Right Wrist, Impact Fix will visually identify, that unless your right forearm is 3 feet long, it couldn't possibly remain at the Right Side during the Impact Interval unless you:
"Uncock" the Right Wrist
locate the Ball substantially aft of Low-Point
Narrow your Stance
have your Hips aligned Square to the Target at Impact
Any combination of the above
With each the first 4 examples, the distance between the Right Shoulder and Low-Point is being affected. Compensations do work, but, compensations are trade-offs.
Pete Cowen has a good stable of European Tour players but his swing model always felt strange to me. Now that I've read TGM, I can put a name on it: breaking the flying wedges in the impact zone.
This explains why if I keep my right forearm angle of approach level and extended parallel to the Plane line, I can just let the left wrist vertically uncock with no getting stuck and many other things including RFT magic. Durr, if I can shoot a 76 without knowing this, I can shoot 66 with knowing this! Thanks guys and LBG!
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This explains why if I keep my right forearm angle of approach level and extended parallel to the Plane line, I can just let the left wrist vertically uncock with no getting stuck and many other things including RFT magic. Durr, if I can shoot a 76 without knowing this, I can shoot 66 with knowing this! Thanks guys and LBG!
Note to self-Pretend to hold a heavy baton in the bent right wrist so as not to straighten the right wrist and so then to bend only the right elbow so the BRW faces me as long as possible-move the elbow-keep the ball 6 inches in front of the left foot, PIVOT/STEP LEFT AND LOAD PP # 3 THEN PUSH IT/ELBOW/FOREARM STRAIGHT AWAY FROM THE BODY TO THE INNER QUADRANT-PUSH THE LAG DOWN PLANE TO MAINTAIN THE LINE OF COMPRESSION THROUGH THE BALL TO COMPRESS THE BALL AND NULLIFY CLUB DEFLECTION PUSH IT ONCE IT IS LOADED BY THE PIVOT-THE LEFT HAND IS ON TOP OF THE PLANE FLAT TO IT TO THE PALM AND THE RIGHT HAND IS HOLDING THE WHEEL RIM, THE LINE OF COMPRESSION DRAGGING ITS WEIGHT TO PULVERIZE THE BALL WITH THE FINISH SWIVEL.
KEEP THE RIGHT ELBOW IN FRONt OF THE RIGHT HIP THROUGH RFT OR A FULLY STRAIGHTENED RIGHT LEG , PIVOT LOADS PP # 3 AND THE FOREARM SHOOTS IT TO ITS FULL EXTENSION AND POWER TO BOTH ARMS STRAIGHT SNAPPING THE FINISH SWIVEL to power the line of compression!!!
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