I don't like his thread because it leads those astray....
Put simply. the angled hinge affects the loading of the right arm where it is a position to HIT at the top due to the influence created by the manditory alignments of the flying wedges. It is always a left arm stroke remember (1-F). The hinge action controls the alignments - it is the right arms job to trace the plane line and let the hinge action (controlling acc no.3)to do its thang.....the left arm is always swinging (1F) and it is always a left arm stroke
Thats why its left hand clubface right hand clubhead....
You cannot be in a position to hit with a horizontal hinge -its just not happen' - You are in a position to drag though
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Re: 10-19-0
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
Horizontal Hinge Hitting is for a Hitter who wants to truly draw the ball by hitting the inside of the ball, rather than lining up closed to the target and pull hooking it. Or any Hitter who wants to avoid the fade tendency of Angled Hinging.
Read Homer's own words from 10-19-0 - "Hinge Action does NOT differentiate Hitting and Swinging." Those caps are Homer's not mine. Do you believe that he would have said that were it "nonsensical"?
The next sentence in 10-19-0 states: "All are interchangeable-with reservations." He then warns hitters and swingers about the tendency to natrually revert back to angled and horizontal hinging, respectively. And says:
"Both procedures require skill in Clubface manipulation per 7-2."
So I read this to say, you can horizontal hinge AND hit, but it takes conscious clubface manipulation to do it successfully. The same applies to swingers using angled hinging. I'm with you Trigolt.
The words that scream at me are 'maipulation' and 'with reservations.'
Homer used the word 'true' to describe 'true hitters' using angled hinging and ' true swingers' using horizontal hinging. Does that make a hitter using horizontal hinging a "false" hitter?
I just thought that I'd add a little TNT to the fire...
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Help For The Weary
tgmgolfer2k2 wrote:
We've discussed the Swinger's pivot feel of driving their right shoulder either a) into PP4, or b) into the inside quad of ball. This is to instill the correct shoulder motion in the downstroke.
But Yoda has warned that continued and repeated use of a right shoulder "hitting the ball" feel will lead us down the infamous pivot controlled hands avenue.
At some point, we must relinquish control of the swing to our hands. Our hands must first be educated enough to take on this responsibility though. Let's assume our hands are educated. What should the swing now feel like if we're just swinging our hands? Just move them back and around? Feeling like they're in a straight line or a circle?
Much Fog remains on this question, at least for me personally.
Once the Mechanic of Shoulder Turn Thrust (2-M-4 and 6-B-4-A) has beenintegrated into your Stroke Pattern as a Describable Feel, yourattention should return to your Hands. In other words, end your consciousfocus of driving the Right Shoulder at the inside aft quadrant of the Ball.Instead, focus your attention on your No. 3 Pressure Point, and use it todeliver the Lag Pressure the Right Shoulder Turn Thrust has Loaded tothat exact same location. Your Power will remain intact, and your Precisionwill improve dramatically.
Regarding the Feel of Swinging Hands, see the Wheel Rim Procedure of2-J-3-A and 7-23. And Chapters 4 and 5 will remain paramount as long as theGame is played.
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Interpreting the Basic Stroke Patterns
Lonestarbob wrote:
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Need some help understanding the basic curriculum in Chapter 12. Since the last email I have started as suggested with the Basic curriculm 12-5-1 and my 1/4" dowel. Am I correct in assuming that 12-5-1 is a "Basic Hitting Procedure"? If so and I choose to "Swing" why would it be nessassary to learn a hitting procedure?
Also Page 7 of preface says "if quick-Swing or if strong-hit". I am not quick, however I am strong but dont like hitting because of a dominate right side and fear of throwaway and the fact that I have great rhythm, is this ok
The Fog is lifting
The 12-5-1/2/3 Patterns can be interpreted for either Swinging or Hitting. Theoptions are in the 'Reference No.'
Don't avoid Hitting because of Throwaway concerns. Learn to Load the Hitter'sLag and to keep your Right Wrist Bent as you straighten your Right Arm toDrive the Lag to the Both Arms Straight Position. It's the most efficient moveimaginable.
I had written a far more complete answer, but my Computer Tech just came inremotely to do a little late night fix-up and logged me out, wiping out about30 minutes of work in the process. Sorry...for both of us.
Maybe later.
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Right shoulder lowered through Impact Fix AND KEEP IT THERE!
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Yoda: I have been watching a lot of footage of Traveno after reading this post. I have noticed that at impact he has a very very low trail shoulder relative to other top players. This must mean that the trail arm is also more bent at impact and there would also be more right wrist bend at the same point. Also the super low trail shoulder would lend it self to a more pitch trail elbow at impact as the trail shoulder is closer to the target. The low trail shoulder must also have an effect on the vectors of the trail arm extensor action also. Both as the point of resistance for the right arm extensor action is lower so I would think the force would be more down and THROUGH than down and as the arm is more bent there is more extensor action to put on the ball .
Is the super low trail shoulder at impact the reason that Trevino " went all the way down" and was so good through the ball? What are your thoughts on the points I raise? Thanks.
Yes, the Trevino Right Shoulder Motion through Impact is an extremelyimportant study. Per 7-13, the Right Shoulder must not only stay 'back,'but also down -- down On Plane. Otherwise, you will 'run out of Right Arm'through Impact. In other words, the Right Arm will act as a 'chain' on yourLeft and it simply cannot go through. And so no matter how much you know aboutthe Flat Left Wrist, it cannot be maintained under this circumstance, andso...it Bends! And the Shot -- and perhaps the match -- is lost.
The place to program this move is at Impact Fix (8-2 and 7-8 ). Bypre-positioning your Right Shoulder 'down On Plane,' say almost directlyopposite the Ball -- probably much lower than your presently feel -- youwill be able to extend through the Ball much further until you reach the BothArms Straight Position at the end of the Follow-Through (8-11). When youreturn to Adjusted Address from this position you will notice that you have a'lot of right arm' -- it is quite bent, even with applied extensor action --and that means that as your Right Shoulder turns through the Ball in this muchfarther way -- "chasing it" as Nick Price likes to say -- then theLeft Arm with its Flat Left Wrist can fly through Impact unimpeded by the'chain' of the Straightened Right Arm caused by the too high RightShoulder.
The reverse of this Impact Fix position would be when you prepare for a 6-inchputt. This Stroke -- as in All Strokes -- must be taken to the Both ArmsStraight Position at the end of the Follow-Through. What to do with such ashort Stroke? You pre-position your Follow-Through for the Both ArmsStraight Position almost immediately following Impact. Now your Right Shoulderwill be much higher than the pre-positioning described above. As a result,you'll have a nice firm 'no Quitting (3-F-7-B) Downstroke to the end of yourFollow-Through and your putt will rattle the hole.
By the way, for those who suffer from 'double hit' putts, this last advice isthe solution.
Stay with this idea, Hue. It is really, really key.
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My farthest drives are when my right shoulder drives down through the Impact Fix position. The hip clears and the right shoulder drives down plane with the right elbow never having a chance to get unstuck from Ted's side or Lynn's side through the Paddle Wheel Motion.
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Three Barrel vs. Four Barrel
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In real terms if you had a 4-barrel player go to a 3-barrel action and master it to the same level of competence. In your opinion, what would be the loss of distance with the driver be if he became a 3-barrel player, if say the guy could crank it out 300 yards with a 4-barrel action? Thanks.
This is a great question and a great post.
The answer is that the Three-Barrel guy would find his ball 290 on thesprinkler heads. The 300-yard Four Barreler likely would be four yards aheadand surrounded by a group of his closest friends...all in the rough..and allstill looking...
P.S. Attention All Four-Barrellers: Do not forget that a lotof what you think you are feeling as Right Arm Thrust...orDrive...or Right Hand through the Ball...or WHATEVER...isnothing more than your very powerful Right Shoulder driving the #4Accumulator through the Right Forearm Flying Wedge throughthe the Ball.
You may feel the 'Power' in your Right Arm or Hand...but the Sourceis your Right Shoulder. Larry Nelson told me this personally fifteenyears ago, and he knows zilch about The Golfing Machine. HeIS a Golfing Machine. Think about it.
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Tightening the alignments with precision for power
Food poisoning Friday night= hurling on the course - driven off course home in bed.
I realized the other day that by fully cocking my left wrist, I was actually added extensor action in a heavier dose before thrusting it down. At different times in my notes over the years, extensor action has helped me get to a breakthrough. Time to study it again.
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The Feel Of Extensor Action
Originally Posted by dthobbs
In the video done with one of your students, just prior to the start of the swing you check your extensor action. What is the feel you are trying to get at this point before the swing begins?
Hi dt, and welcome to our site.
You've asked a good question, because Extensor Action is indeed the last thing I Feel before Start Up. Over time, it actually has become my Start Up Trigger. What I Feel is the Push of the heel of my Right Hand against my Left Hand thumb. This stretches -- but, per 6-B-1-D -- does not move the Left Arm. I then take that Stretched Feel to the Top, maintain it through the Start Down and then Drive it though the Ball to the Finish of the Stroke.
After years of training in the 24 Components, the Three Zones and the precision alignments of the Mechanical Checklist of 12-3-0, this is the essence of my Action:
1. I apply Extensor Action at Address.
2. I take it to the Top.
3. I Drive it through the Ball.
Simple as that!
Extensor Action is a vital concept, and I will soon put up a video that will show you how to learn and apply it. It is yet another cornerstone of TGM
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I realized the other day that by fully cocking my left wrist, I was actually added extensor action in a heavier dose before thrusting it down. At different times in my notes over the years, extensor action has helped me get to a breakthrough. Time to study it again.
Spalding and I were just talking yesterday about EA. I'm thinking a whole day's clinic could be done strictly on EA, now that I think about it a bit.
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A Leg Up
Originally Posted by EdZ
Lynn - how do you feel about drills hitting off your knees? It sounds like your views on the lower body are to minimize as much movement as possible. Does that restricted lower body motion make it harder to feel the 'pivot train' move the 'whip' through the body? Essentially starting the 'whip' motion higher up the chain?
I've never done any drills hitting from the Knees. Or from a chair, for that matter. I've seen both done -- they are quite the rage with a certain highly visible Golf Digest Instructor -- and I suppose they could help some people. But from a practical standpoint, I would say they are for demonstration (as 'proof positive' of the Power Package Concept) and for effect.
As for me, I'll stick with using the full Leg. Both of them. That's what we have to deal with anyway. Might as well learn to use'em.
Regarding my favoring a "restricted Lower Body," I do restrict my Feet and my Knees (per 10-17-C and 10-16-C). I do not restrict my Right Hip (or my Right Shoulder). These move per 10-13-D, 10-14-A and 10-15-B.
Finally, I don't give a second thought to my Left Hip and Shoulder. They will conform to my Right side and Extensor Action.
As they should.
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