Also let's consider the player dosen't know any rules- ok. How about the caddie watching from 30yds away why? Now we have 2 idiots. Golf 101 Jack Nicklaus i never ground the club even when i putt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sir- you must review the tape- He clearly positioned the spectator to make a full shadow.
I will now predict a complete disqualification - likely today.
the "stuborn" Bear
I've seen enough of your posts to know you have better than average reading skills. I am baffled by your continued argument over the decision I posted. We will just have to agree to disagree. Good luck with your prediction.
Kevin
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I will now predict a complete disqualification - likely today.
Once the card is signed it becomes official! End of story Bear
Close:
Quote:
34-1b. Stroke Play
In stroke play, a penalty must not be rescinded, modified or imposed after the competition has closed. A competition is closed when the result has been officially announced or, in stroke-play qualifying followed by match play, when the player has teed off in his first match.
Exceptions:
A penalty of disqualification must be imposed after the competition has closed if a competitor:
(i) was in breach of Rule 1-3 (Agreement to Waive Rules); or
(ii) returned a score card on which he had recorded a handicap that, before the competition closed, he knew was higher than that to which he was entitled, and this affected the number of strokes received (Rule 6-2b); or
(iii) returned a score for any hole lower than actually taken (Rule 6-6d) for any reason other than failure to include a penalty that, before the competition closed, he did not know he had incurred; or
(iv) knew, before the competition closed, that he had been in breach of any other Rule for which the penalty is disqualification.
Same result through a different interpretation. In my mind, he didn't break the rule, see posted decision, and if he had un-knowingly, he may no longer be held accountable as the competition is closed.
Kevin
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DJ played the course all week and possibly several times previously in his career. 18 is covered with bunkers. How could he not realize he was in a bunker??? IMHO Just a case of being so caught up in the moment he forgot the rules.
Thats why he didn't sign it right away a breech of the rule was in question so when the official stated the decision it then became official and then he signed the card. Correct?
Thats why he didn't sign it right away a breech of the rule was in question so when the official stated the decision it then became official and then he signed the card. Correct?
Exactly. When signed and the player leaves the scoring area, his score becomes official as signed. Any penalties may still be applied however, until the competition is closed. Thats why people get DQ'd for signing incorrect scorecards. Their score is official, but the competition was not yet closed.
Once the results are announced, all bets are off except for the exceptions posted above. Clear as mud?
Kevin
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The PGA messed-up by NOT enforcing a clear rules violation.
The "circular arguement" Bear
he may ask a person (e.g., a spectator) who is already in position not to move, so that a shadow remains over the ball, or to move, so that his shadow is not over the ball.
Sorry, I know I said I was done, I'm just very frustrated as I feel I am banging my head against the wall. It hurts, but I can't seem to stop.
Kevin
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DJ played the course all week and possibly several times previously in his career. 18 is covered with bunkers. How could he not realize he was in a bunker??? IMHO Just a case of being so caught up in the moment he forgot the rules
History is showing that in the final rd this guy dosen't think to well in majors. Maybe if he didn't flunk out of Coastal 2 major victories and also the caddie is fired if i dont know the rules i want my caddie to know them
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