Bear
Imagine your on the tee box and your buddy is in your vision to the side and u ask him to move? Dosent matter if there was sun, a shadow you have the right to move him?
he may ask a person (e.g., a spectator) who is already in position not to move, so that a shadow remains over the ball, or to move, so that his shadow is not over the ball.
Sorry, I know I said I was done, I'm just very frustrated as I feel I am banging my head against the wall. It hurts, but I can't seem to stop.
Kevin
The problem is one of us has bad ears.
We need to review WHAT HE SAID to the spectator.
The EXACT WORDS please.
The problem is one of us has bad ears.
We need to review WHAT HE SAID to the spectator.
The EXACT WORDS please.
The "listening" bear
I didn't tape it. Not that it matters, but enlighten me. The crowd was stacked up and I'm sure it was very difficult for anyone to move much. I saw flashes of light as though a spectator was moving. The player simply wanted them to stay still in the same position to eliminate the flashes. Maybe I have bad ears, but it was very easy to see what was happening.
Do you feel he moved somebody into position through the crowd, I didn't see that, or did he simply want someone to stay still?
I keep watching and waiting for the announcement of a DQ. Perhaps the officials didn't hear what you heard?
Kevin
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Did Dustin Johnson accidentally violate 14-2 as well as 13-4?
August 15, 2010
by John
.[UPDATE] I got word from an official at the PGA that Johnson asked for the area to be all shade which is different than asking that just the lie of the ball be shaded.
[FINAL UPDATE] In reflecting on this, I can see why Johnson should not be penalized for having the crowd move around to block the sunlight. Since he was in the middle of the crowd and there was continual movement, he should be able to get everyone to stand still. With the one shaft of light there, he was constantly going to be disturbed by any movement. It was either that or get the crowd to back up to the point where there were no shadows which was impractical. Therefore, just getting the entire area shaded was the best way to resolve the issue.
With a one-shot lead on the 18th hole, today, Dustin Johnson hit his tee shot way right into the crowd. After the crowd was cleared he was left with a shot over the hazard to the green. The spectators were standing around the ball and there was a sliver of sunshine on his ball. Johnson said something about it. Someone asked if he wanted the sunshine blocked and it sounded like he said “Yes, block it.”
There is a new decision in 2010, 14-2/2.5, which states that in part:
While a player may not place an object or position a person for the purpose of blocking the sunlight from his ball, he may ask a person (e.g., a spectator) who is already in position not to move, so that a shadow remains over the ball, or to move, so that his shadow is not over the ball.
When he finished the round, he was spoken to by the officials.
I don’t know if that is what is going on or if they say he grounded his club in the bunker? He definitely grounded his club in the sand area there. I don’t know which violation they are calling, but he is out of the playoff.
UPDATE: Mark Wilson from the PGA has just explained that all areas designed as bunkers were bunkers even if outside the ropes and that he therefore grounded his club in the bunker and is penalized two strokes under Rule 13-4.
I’ve written before about how removing bunkers from the rules. Yet another reason do so.
Dustin handled the interview with class just now. He mentioned that he should have read the local rule more closely, but could also have called the rules official that was walking with the group before playing.
His biggest mistake was hitting driver on the hole when he needed a par to win. It was a 469 yard hole with an uphill drive. A shot 250 yards in the fairway gives him 219 into the green. A long way out, but it makes no difference from the fairway when you need a par. For him, that is a 5 iron. Nicklaus would have hit 1 iron to stay in the fairway. Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, need a shot with a club that will put them in the fairway out about 250 yards. That used to be sop for pros, when you have a one stroke lead and need par to win, get in the fairway off the tee.
Did Dustin Johnson accidentally violate 14-2 as well as 13-4?
August 15, 2010
by John
.[UPDATE] I got word from an official at the PGA that Johnson asked for the area to be all shade which is different than asking that just the lie of the ball be shaded.
[FINAL UPDATE] In reflecting on this, I can see why Johnson should not be penalized for having the crowd move around to block the sunlight. Since he was in the middle of the crowd and there was continual movement, he should be able to get everyone to stand still. With the one shaft of light there, he was constantly going to be disturbed by any movement. It was either that or get the crowd to back up to the point where there were no shadows which was impractical. Therefore, just getting the entire area shaded was the best way to resolve the issue.
With a one-shot lead on the 18th hole, today, Dustin Johnson hit his tee shot way right into the crowd. After the crowd was cleared he was left with a shot over the hazard to the green. The spectators were standing around the ball and there was a sliver of sunshine on his ball. Johnson said something about it. Someone asked if he wanted the sunshine blocked and it sounded like he said “Yes, block it.”
There is a new decision in 2010, 14-2/2.5, which states that in part:
While a player may not place an object or position a person for the purpose of blocking the sunlight from his ball, he may ask a person (e.g., a spectator) who is already in position not to move, so that a shadow remains over the ball, or to move, so that his shadow is not over the ball.
When he finished the round, he was spoken to by the officials.
I don’t know if that is what is going on or if they say he grounded his club in the bunker? He definitely grounded his club in the sand area there. I don’t know which violation they are calling, but he is out of the playoff.
UPDATE: Mark Wilson from the PGA has just explained that all areas designed as bunkers were bunkers even if outside the ropes and that he therefore grounded his club in the bunker and is penalized two strokes under Rule 13-4.
I’ve written before about how removing bunkers from the rules. Yet another reason do so.
Dustin handled the interview with class just now. He mentioned that he should have read the local rule more closely, but could also have called the rules official that was walking with the group before playing.
"Looking for U tube" Bear
Excellent find bear. Have you ever seen 14-2/2.5 before? Thank goodness "John" was able to help you out with this conundrum.
Kevin
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