Ask a Pro how he swings the Club and you'll get 10 different answers........from the same Pro.
The Backstroke and Downstroke are very different. I don't doubt that the Pendulum Marching Drill is useful for something but bear in mind that the Impact Alignment, by necessity of the Pendulum is a Swivel.
Swiveling and Hinging are Apples and Oranges. It took me forever to learn the difference. My first Golf Instructor should be in jail. I've searched for a very long time in books, the internet and Golf DVDs and I'm convinced that none of the instructors know the difference (present company excluded). And yet, every Pro I watch, and in Slow Motion, HINGE through the Impact Interval. Good Ball Strikers don't use the Pendulum when they swing a Club but they do apply the geometry while Putting.
I helped Innercityteacher understand the difference between Swiveling and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. If he would comment on the difference, it would help if he noted if he ever heard or learned of this before and when he reviews the swings of Good Ball Strikers if he sees them Swiveling or Hinging.
Homer Kelley discovered this 50 years ago and writes in great length about it. I'm very SHOCKED, Shocked and more shocked that it isn't standard Golf instruction. If you don't learn it here at LBG.com you'll never learn it. How can anyone call themselves a Golf Instructor without understanding these simple Alignments. I'm completely Shocked. I need a Drink.
Drryl,Your words are whirling through my head at this moment,hinging and swivelling......for me,they are 2 seperate componants occuring in the downswing and follow through but also simutaneously.Correct me if Im not right ,My swing for what its worth is pretty much fully automatic snap release ,I completly rely on centrifugal force,should I really be taking any notice of either of these componants,what I mean here is simply that whenever I make an effort to "DO" anything other than cen force allows ie uncocking or hinging,it all goes pear shaped,the hinging is rehearsed pre swing if I need it one or the other but I engrain that into the shot before I hit it..,but that is pretty much reliant on the computor.
So long as I pivot my swing as good as I can all these alignments seem to take care of themselves,the one handed plane drills....for me are reinforcements of what should be happening with 2 sides left and right,as Tom T said,"if you want to hit with a "heavy" club hold it "lightly"...this is the feeling I get swinging with left side levers,and the right lever also gets the feel of getting down to sweet spot plane.
Now thats a rant....hope you can follow and understand my writings cheers BM
D why do you equate the Wild Bill Melbourne drill with a pendulum drill. Impact alingments are awesome for even the newest of golfers when they do this drill. You should see on film how the Steering disappears , the release is delayed etc. It's a way of tricking the Steering out via continous motion. Like being able to actually hit a ball with a practice swing.
Drryl,Your words are whirling through my head at this moment,hinging and swivelling......for me,they are 2 seperate componants occuring in the downswing and follow through but also simutaneously.Correct me if Im not right ,My swing for what its worth is pretty much fully automatic snap release ,I completly rely on centrifugal force,should I really be taking any notice of either of these componants,what I mean here is simply that whenever I make an effort to "DO" anything other than cen force allows ie uncocking or hinging,it all goes pear shaped,the hinging is rehearsed pre swing if I need it one or the other but I engrain that into the shot before I hit it..,but that is pretty much reliant on the computor.
So long as I pivot my swing as good as I can all these alignments seem to take care of themselves,the one handed plane drills....for me are reinforcements of what should be happening with 2 sides left and right,as Tom T said,"if you want to hit with a "heavy" club hold it "lightly"...this is the feeling I get swinging with left side levers,and the right lever also gets the feel of getting down to sweet spot plane.
Now thats a rant....hope you can follow and understand my writings cheers BM
CF will align the Clubface for Horizontal Hinging. True, true. And for anyone skilled to harness CF to uncock the Left Wrist will more than likely produce a perfectly usable Hinge based on the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
But, the Right Forearm Angle of Approach has a separate identity and the Golfing Machine is based on the RFAA. If you're Hinging, then you've adopted the RFAA as your procedure for delivering the Club to "Low-Point" rather than most others who have adopted the "Swivel". There are many ways to Swivel. Homer talks about three Swivels and one as being a "True Rotation" of the Hands to differentiate other kinds.
Some players start playing Golf with a 10 handicap, others start from 50. The difference is the RFAA vs. Swivel through the Impact Interval.
The RFAA controls Ball Placement, Low-Point, Stance Width, Hooks, Draws, Slices and Fades, Hinging, Hitting and Swinging. Any issues about striking the Ball including Clubhead Speed, Shaft Length, Interval Length, etc, must be adjusted by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
So, I'm producing a video series on the Golfing Machine. The Pre-Introduction Video is about the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. I decided it was necessary because without its understanding, Almost All of the Golfing Machines concepts are lost in vagueness. It was discovered and defined by Homer Kelley. He didn't invent it. It's been around since the first golf club was made and may explain precisely why they're designed the way they are and why we swing the clubs the way we do. It's probably the most significant concept in Swinging a Golf Club especially how it adjusts the Geometry of the Circle.
It's "Stupid Simple". Maybe that's why it's been so overlooked for so long while everyone was busy looking for the Holy Grail of Golf. It's intermixed with everything else so much that it needed someone like Homer to reduce the swing into simple components to identify and describe its separate existence.
I need to finish this video in a hurry before someone else gets wind of it and takes it without giving Homer his due.
D why do you equate the Wild Bill Melbourne drill with a pendulum drill. Impact alingments are awesome for even the newest of golfers when they do this drill. You should see on film how the Steering disappears , the release is delayed etc. It's a way of tricking the Steering out via continous motion. Like being able to actually hit a ball with a practice swing.
I was referring to the MacDonald Drill as a Pendulum/Swivel Drill. Ben Hogan and others used it all the time and til this day. I think it's being used because the Right Forearm Angle of Approach is unknown. Still, it's useful and very helpful for many people.
Don't know why you say pendulum swivel drill. Impact is not the same as address with lag and drag in both directions.
I know youre big on what you term the right forearm angle of approach. Is this the same concept as the visual equivalent angle of approach? Or literally the right forearms path as seen to the golfer? Or ?
Or maybe I gotta buy the video. Good luck with that d. Very ambitious of you .
I know youre big on what you term the right forearm angle of approach. Is this the same concept as the visual equivalent angle of approach? Or literally the right forearms path as seen to the golfers eye?
Please don't say it's the same as the visual equivalent!
Its not the same.
You have the Right Forearm Flying Wedge with its Frozen Right Wrist. The Right Forearm is ALWAYS Driving.
The Right Forearm travels On Plane from Release to Low-Point.
Being On Plane, it travels Downward and Outward.
The Right Forearm Flying Wedge lies fully on the Plane as it seeks Low-Point.
The Left Hand Rolls, the Bent Right Wrist does not.
When the Right Forearm traveling to Low-Point guides the Primary Lever Roll, it causes the Hinge Pin in the Left Shoulder to Align Vertical to a given Plane (it constrains the shoulder joint to act as a Hinge and not a Ball Joint).
As the Ball is moved Back from Low-Point, it also moves inward so you must Steepen the Plane (steepen the Orbit), which changes the Angle of Approach and AUTOMATICALLY FIXES Less Right Wrist Bend.
If you only move the Ball aft on the existing Plane Line, you also, inadvertently relocated Low Point aft of the Left Shoulder. You must move the Ball inward when you move the ball aft so Low-Point is controlled below or Forward of the Left Shoulder.
Low Point Location is Adjusted Primarily by the Right Shoulder. Adjust the Right Shoulder by Adjusting Stance Width.
The Steeper the Orbit, the Faster the Closing Ratio of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
Short Irons have slower Clubhead Speeds than Longer Clubs. Slower Clubhead Speed has a shorter Impact Interval. Shorter Impact Intervals need faster Closing Ratios to sustain the Line of Compression. 1/4, 1/2,3/4 or a full 1 degree or more can be adjusted quite readily by adjusting the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
By Adjusting the Plane Angle, the Ball can be located to various locations Aft of Low-Point and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach will produce Straightaway Ball Flight.
The Right Forearm Angle of Approach returns the Left Wrist to Level at Impact.
Hitters and Swingers use the same Right Forearm Angle of Approach with Only a change in Elbow Location due to "Loading" the Primary or Secondary Lever.
So much more. It needs a video demonstration of the Alignments. The Concept will "Click" with anyone who has knowledge of TGM. All of these Alignments can be determined and finalized ("Accommodated at Impact Fix") within about 3 seconds. I know, it sounds crazy. But every Adjustment is created by "Set-up" and not by trying to Swing or Hit Differently. That's probably why even great players have different results because of a minor, inadvertent change in set-up - especially Stance Width and Distance from the Ball.
By Adjusting the Right Forearm Angle of Approach, a player can add Layback to the Horizontal Hinge to produce an Angled Hinge or remove Closing from an Angled Hinge to produce a Vertical Hinge.
Homer said that if he knew of the "Right Forearm Angle of Approach" he may not have published the book. It's truly amazing to me that he was able to write the book without knowing its separate identity.
CF will align the Clubface for Horizontal Hinging. True, true. And for anyone skilled to harness CF to uncock the Left Wrist will more than likely produce a perfectly usable Hinge based on the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
But, the Right Forearm Angle of Approach has a separate identity and the Golfing Machine is based on the RFAA. If you're Hinging, then you've adopted the RFAA as your procedure for delivering the Club to "Low-Point" rather than most others who have adopted the "Swivel". There are many ways to Swivel. Homer talks about three Swivels and one as being a "True Rotation" of the Hands to differentiate other kinds.
Some players start playing Golf with a 10 handicap, others start from 50. The difference is the RFAA vs. Swivel through the Impact Interval.
The RFAA controls Ball Placement, Low-Point, Stance Width, Hooks, Draws, Slices and Fades, Hinging, Hitting and Swinging. Any issues about striking the Ball including Clubhead Speed, Shaft Length, Interval Length, etc, must be adjusted by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
So, I'm producing a video series on the Golfing Machine. The Pre-Introduction Video is about the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. I decided it was necessary because without its understanding, Almost All of the Golfing Machines concepts are lost in vagueness. It was discovered and defined by Homer Kelley. He didn't invent it. It's been around since the first golf club was made and may explain precisely why they're designed the way they are and why we swing the clubs the way we do. It's probably the most significant concept in Swinging a Golf Club especially how it adjusts the Geometry of the Circle.
It's "Stupid Simple". Maybe that's why it's been so overlooked for so long while everyone was busy looking for the Holy Grail of Golf. It's intermixed with everything else so much that it needed someone like Homer to reduce the swing into simple components to identify and describe its separate existence.
I need to finish this video in a hurry before someone else gets wind of it and takes it without giving Homer his due.
Just got home, grabbed some wood to put in the garage stacks since we are having rain and snow tonight, then turned on the lights since it was about 8:30 pm, and grabbed the impact bag and golf bag. 35 degrees outside and I flexed the stiff wedges, the regular irons, the stiff 3 wood and hybrids and the senior shafted drivers from various manufacturers.
What I mean is that having not hit a ball in ten days, I was able to imagine bucket practice with my right forearm inside pointing up to the sky. Correct grip,Extensor Action, Right Forearm Takeaway with and without Startup Swivel, and simply slide my left knee parallel to the Base Line of the Plane. The # 3 PP loads for the Swing and the shafts B_E_N_D_S as it does for the Hit.
In both cases, the right forearm stays flexed as it (and the shoulder) drops down in FRONT of the back hip still pointed skyward before the right forearm extends through the ball hinging before the distinct Finish Swivel.
The LAG pops that bag and sound like a rifle shot as as the shaft flexes back and the club head feels to explode well in front of my front hip with longer clubs!
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Wow thanks daryl lots to think on there. I personally do often Swing my right forearm flying wedge perceptually . It isn't right arm swinging or anything just a perception . Think homer would be cool with this ... Just too lazy to find the chapter verse efc right now.
Left arm flail or right arm flying wedge you can swing either through the ball.
I do have theoretical issues with some of yiur points but ... Who gives a shank!
And another cool benefit... My last couple of rounds I was not that aware of Extensor Action and I paid for it by lacking precision in the first 9 holes in each round. With EA, the forearms and elbows are drawn closer together like Mr. Hogan's famous description of "bound arms" with insides of the arms pointing to the sky. The Right Forearm Takeaway easily turns the whole upper body and feels to pivot off the right elbow pressed against the ribs though the elbow does then move away from the ribs. The feel of the Power Package is solid, one piece and very controlled which allowed me to par the last four and five holes in the last two rounds with no sweat. Without the Extensor Action, bogeys were quite easy and frustrating where pars should have been the order of the day easy and frustrating.
This winter season will see me practicing full Extensor Action and RFT daily with a Bent Right Wrist with and without Start-up Swivel.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
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