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Old 07-19-2007, 09:21 AM
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Ever see/read the PGA teaching manual Wiren put out?
I have not read it.
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:54 PM
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I think the PGA does not want to adopt a single teaching system or book.
They have over the years used different books, and manuals for it's apprentices, to help teach them about golf swings, and teaching golf. The Flick/Toski book, Gary Wiren's book, Rick Martino's book, and there were others. Some basic TGM would definately be helpful for the apprentices.

Some of the TGMers do occasionally teach at PGA seminars and Teaching Summits. Tom Ness, Chuck Cook, Chuck Evans, Ben Doyle, George Kelnhofer, and many others have taught, or spoken at PGA functions.

I actually helped get TGM back on the approved list for education points just 8 or 9 years ago. It had just about fallen off the map. The TGM website, and then Lynn's site has helped bring TGM to the world.
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:55 PM
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I actually helped get TGM back on the approved list for education points just 8 or 9 years ago. It had just about fallen off the map. The TGM website, and then Lynn's site has helped bring TGM to the world.
Today at a businessman's lunch, my darting eyes couldn't help but catch the silent, closed caption transcript above The Open Championship telecast at the back of the room.

The video was of the young Rory McIlry.

The unidentified voiceover was -- I can only guess -- Bobby Clampett?

In any event, the references to Mr. McIlry's Golf Stroke included:

-- "On Plane."

-- "Lots of Lag."

- "And he 'sustains' it through Impact."

No way this commentary would have happened twenty years ago. But now it is happening almost every week.

It's a good thing.

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Old 07-20-2007, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
Today at a businessman's lunch, my darting eyes couldn't help but catch the silent, closed caption transcript above The Open Championship telecast at the back of the room.

The video was of the young Rory McIlry.

The unidentified voiceover was -- I can only guess -- Bobby Clampett?

In any event, the references to Mr. McIlry's Golf Stroke included:

-- "On Plane."

-- "Lots of Lag."

- "And he 'sustains' it through Impact."

No way this commentary would have happened twenty years ago. But now it is happening almost every week.

It's a good thing.

And how many TGMer kinds are inside the ropes each week with you, Lynn? Take a bow.
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Old 07-20-2007, 06:13 AM
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Hi all,watching the brit open last night and the one thing that stood out to me was ,when the camera angle was directly behind the players,be it driver or irons,most had there arms hanging vertical maybe a little less than vertical,where TGMers are told to have their left wrists at level position(R/handers) at address,please enlighten me.Hope I havnt made an ass of myself
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Old 07-20-2007, 07:56 AM
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Left arm flying wedge...
I am watchig now. Most players in the field don't have vertical angle hanging of arms, though Jim Furyk does, but the level left wrist at address are almost all there.

Some might have a slight cocked left wrist, not level, at address, but they manage to do that.

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Old 07-20-2007, 10:18 AM
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Today at a businessman's lunch, my darting eyes couldn't help but catch the silent, closed caption transcript above The Open Championship telecast at the back of the room.

The video was of the young Rory McIlry.

The unidentified voiceover was -- I can only guess -- Bobby Clampett?

In any event, the references to Mr. McIlry's Golf Stroke included:

-- "On Plane."

-- "Lots of Lag."

- "And he 'sustains' it through Impact."

No way this commentary would have happened twenty years ago. But now it is happening almost every week.

It's a good thing.

On last Friday's telecast of the John Deere, Clampett was discussing how a player made a divot with a 3 wood. He used the exact phrase "clubhead lag pressure" (not just "lag" or "clubhead lag", but "clubhead lag pressure").

Yesterday on the telecast from Open, Clampett was discussing Sergio's putting. He use the exact phrase "on plane forearm."

It sure seems like he is making an effort to use the exact TGM terminology in a loud and clear fashion.
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:41 AM
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Bobby Clampett Announcing
Whether it be because he has published his book and wants to sell more of them or he just has those concepts on his mind more - It's been my perception that Bobby Clampett has changed his entire announcing approach over the last couple of weeks0. For me it's been a dramatic shift in announcing style.

I liked him a lot more as an announcer before he started that stuff in the last couple of weeks.

But that's just me. Only his boss's and the viewing audience will determine if he continues to announce with this "new" approach.

I just want to watch the golf tournament and not have someone input "their" "teaching" system- into my living room. Or better said, I wouldn't mind it if he was analyzing someones swing on the Bizhub with a complete anaylsis- but I don't care for a constant analysis in the telecast as part of the play by play! In other words, if it was football- I like to hear the announcer say "look it that halfback cut back and juke that linebacker - what a move!"- and not add or input some analysis of fully planting on the inside of the foot- with an on-plane hip slant, directly in line and opposed to the on plane motion................

I'd guess it won't continue- but that's only because if I was his boss it wouldn't continue- not during the play by play or color commentary. Did I miss something- did Faldo (I know could be the wrong network but you know what I mean) or someone else go bye bye and Clampett's new role is to analyze the swings besides what he was doing before- maybe this is part of a step up for him or grooming for a higher spot in the broadcasting booth.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:45 PM
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I liked him a lot more as an announcer before he started that stuff in the last couple of weeks.

if I was his boss it wouldn't continue- not during the play by play or color commentary.
Stuff??
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:48 PM
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Mike O,

I'm sorry but I have to completely disagree with your post above.

The aspiring golfer wants to know what it is that makes the difference between Tiger, Sergio, and the Rest of Us. The Golfing Machine when applied correctly can provide that answer......sustaining the line of compression.

Bobby has written a book to help the public understand the machine and now he is conveying those "secrets" on live television. If people listen to Bobby and Apply they will enjoy the game. Which as Gary Wiren's himself said, "Golf is a game and as such it is meant to be enjoyed."

I say keep it up Bobby, I've never been happier with a commentator's perspectives. He's helping the game of golf immensly by not conveying his "teaching system" but instead explaining THE WAY to hit a golf ball

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook while listening to a Circuit Player's Perspective on T.V.

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