Tom Tomasello called the book "a masterpiece", but even he admitted that without the help of an A.I. that it would most likely not make much sense.
The book sales are probably better than they used to be... but if the book was made more readable, it would probably sell quite well... maybe even be a BEST SELLING golf instruction book.
The influence of TGM is starting to become more obvious to the public. Lynn now has a tour winner, and others that are doing very well. It is also becoming known that the Stack and Tilt teachers believe in the value of TGM. Other teachers are now giving TGM some credit as a valuable tool. At the last P.G.A. Teaching and Coaching Summit I attended, several of the presenters mentioned TGM and Ben Doyle in a positive manner. Of course Mr. O'Grady also got much of his information from TGM.
Tom Tomasello called the book "a masterpiece", but even he admitted that without the help of an A.I. that it would most likely not make much sense.
The book sales are probably better than they used to be... but if the book was made more readable, it would probably sell quite well... maybe even be a BEST SELLING golf instruction book.
The influence of TGM is starting to become more obvious to the public. Lynn now has a tour winner, and others that are doing very well. It is also becoming known that the Stack and Tilt teachers believe in the value of TGM. Other teachers are now giving TGM some credit as a valuable tool. At the last P.G.A. Teaching and Coaching Summit I attended, several of the presenters mentioned TGM and Ben Doyle in a positive manner. Of course Mr. O'Grady also got much of his information from TGM.
I wonder if any of you think as I do regarding AI's straying from the path. I've found that any lack of perfectly clear understanding of TGM concepts causes one to search elsewhere for rationalization and solutions.
I couldn't pick O'Grady from a police line-up, but I would assume 'misunderstanding' of anyone finding so much wrong with the Yellow Book. So many think they understand the constructs. Just like Bucket, who thinks he understands the concept of the “Endless Belt”, yet totally abuses and exploits its application. Who would think? Even more alarming is that the current owners of the 7th edition may possibly misunderstand it too.
So let me ask you this . . . . first of all keeping in mind that I would say that Homer Kelley was definitely the greatest "golf mind" of all time and one of the the better minds of our time . . .
i agree
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Do you think the Golfing Machine is a great BOOK or a great CATALOG or just great INFORMATION?
yes, all three. a great intellectual achievement !!
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Homer Kelley took upon himself a very ambitious task in writing the book and trying avoid any reduncancy . . . . do you think he succeeded in his task? Would the book have been better as a true CATALOG with supporting volumes to gird his foundation? I'm mean the dude has 80 plus hours of recorded classes of him talking nonstop. Not many people can talk 80 hours about anything . . . and that was just the RECORDED classes.
yes he achieved his goal of brevity. but i wouldn't try and rewrite it. and i don't think that you can read the book enough.
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
I think the Machine moving forward would be MUCH BETTER SERVED by truly bringing organization to his works. Rather than trying to add to them. We could organize his words rather than PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.
i think lynnblakegolf is bringing organization to his work. i love your idea of multimedia but it could cause deep divisions over the presentation of the material and/or the interpretation of it.
I love your idea of multimedia but it could cause deep divisions over the presentation of the material and/or the interpretation of it.
Mathew's animations in our Gallery represent the promise of those future multimedia presentations. He and I collaborated as LBG was getting underway. I had long dreamed of seeing Hinge Action (and the Geometry of the Circle and the Plane and a number of other things!) as an animated presentation. When he produced his 3-D animation -- he is not a professional and taught himself to use the software -- I was astonished. My posts introducing the Hinge Action Animation reflected my admiration for his creativity and conviction that it was nothing less than historic work.
Mathew had made it happen!
No big deal? I beg to differ. As few as four years ago, only a handful of people in the world (amateur or Authorized Instructor) truly understood Hinge Action. Fewer still could correctly articulate and demonstrate it. And then, via Mathew's inspiration and perspiration . . .
I wonder if any of you think as I do regarding AI's straying from the path. I've found that any lack of perfectly clear understanding of TGM concepts causes one to search elsewhere for rationalization and solutions.
I couldn't pick O'Grady from a police line-up, but I would assume 'misunderstanding' of anyone finding so much wrong with the Yellow Book. So many think they understand the constructs. Just like Bucket, who thinks he understands the concept of the “Endless Belt”, yet totally abuses and exploits its application. Who would think? Even more alarming is that the current owners of the 7th edition may possibly misunderstand it too.
Beavis . . . Please school me on how I have missed the boat on Endless Belt . . . I'm sure you'll have your opportunity to pick people out of police line up at the big throwdown in October when you and Mike O shack up in a hotel room/van.
Waiting patiently on your Endless Belt analysis . . . start another thread . . . game on.
yes, all three. a great intellectual achievement !!
yes he achieved his goal of brevity. but i wouldn't try and rewrite it. and i don't think that you can read the book enough.
i think lynnblakegolf is bringing organization to his work. i love your idea of multimedia but it could cause deep divisions over the presentation of the material and/or the interpretation of it.
Just think if there were a CD that contained the text from each edition in different colors or something . .. with supporting audio of Homer's classes for each section (I know of a certain mongoloid who may just be anal enough to do something like that) and supporting video demonstrating the text or virtual stuff as Yoda pointed out that Mathew expertly did.
Yoda does a 4 minute video on wedges and people go absolutely ape shizzle because of how much they learned . . . just imagine if the whole book were supported with a cd or something that actually fleshed the deal out with video and Homer rappin'.
It COULD BE amazing . . . instead we just get "Homer's science sux." Let's do another AI class. Great . .. thanks for that. When they gonna take it to the street??? Quarter'til never.
Homer trusts the “Catalog” and all of his research and development to the capable hands of AI’s rather than publish hours of audio and video.
It’s not a “How-to” Book. It’s a “Catalog” of Golf Stroke Knowledge and Engineering.
Not arguing that it IS a how to book . . . We are talking about materials to SUPPLEMENT the book, make it more accessable and understandable to people who would probably run from it after reading chapter 2.
The information in that book COULD if properly organized and presented with all the available technology change EVERYTHING.
When do we fight about the Endless Belt?
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Not arguing that it IS a how to book . . . We are talking about materials to SUPPLEMENT the book, make it more accessable and understandable to people who would probably run from it after reading chapter 2.
The information in that book COULD if properly organized and presented with all the available technology change EVERYTHING.
When do we fight about the Endless Belt?
Agree with you bucket, leave the book alone, no 8th edition needed....
William Shakespeare is dead, nobody should write a sequel to Macbeth...but you can happily write books that make the great writers books easier to understand...like this one
Even more alarming is that the current owners of the 7th edition may possibly misunderstand it too. 
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