It's too bad because the Elbow Plane is a very difficult swing to master and takes an enormous amount of time and effort to become truly proficient. The Standard Patterns in the Yellow book are easier to master and will give almost any golfer a lifetime of pleasure on the golf course.
totally depends on the player and their ability. I know someone who made the change in a couple weeks of hard practice. If you take a 20 cap then you are probably right. I know I can do it and I am pretty much a hack.
Interesting . . . . took this cat an enormous amount of time to change his pictures . . . 24 hours or so? Eternity . . . .
Did somebody slip some clorox in your crackpipe again?
He's taking practice swings on a Driveway. That's a lot different than Golfing. It took Ben Hogan practically a lifetime, Mr. Goat herder, but you're saying that BC has done it overnight.
Ya, it took him 18 hours to go from a swing that needed one modification to one that needs too many to count. I'm sure he'll be grateful once he starts playing with his new swing.
He's taking practice swings on a Driveway. That's a lot different than Golfing.
Ya, it took him 18 hours to go from a swing that needed one modification to one that needs too many to count. I'm sure he'll be grateful once he starts playing with his new swing.
Could you please refrain from the corner and the rocking and explain yourself . . .
How can you argue with the improvement in the alignments in those pictures? In the before swing he was inches away from a wipe . . . in the after he's in position to deliver the club down out and forward on plane.
The only thing that was changed was the depth of his handpath . . same startdown . . . just from a point that allows the golf club to move on plane with his motion???
You are coming unglued.
YOU CAN GET WITH THIS . . . .
OR YOU CAN GET WITH THAT . . . .
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 07-28-2010 at 07:11 PM.
But for his own good, it cant be to his mind anyways just "flatter with more hip turn". He needs to know the Alignments or else he'll be forever searching. One days "flatter" is another days too flat.
Some poor soul once said something like: " The secret to golf is that a one day wonder lasts for five days , so after three days you'd better starting looking for your next one day wonder."
Well, it certainly wasn't my intention to ignite an argument by uploading swing progression videos that implemented Bucket's suggestions. The fact of the matter is that I only have a basic understanding of TGM (however, I am slowly learning and always ensure that I look up suggested references in the book), so I found Bucket's post most helpful as he thoroughly guided me through the modifications that he believed my swing required. I am in no way implying that his suggestion is better than anyone elses, it's just that it was an easier process to implement for testing.
With the above being said, I played my first round of competitive golf in three years today and decided to take Bucket's suggestions straight to the course (which is usually a terrible idea without significant practice). I actually played to my handicap for the front nine holes (which was a surprise considering I haven't even practiced my short game or calculated yardages). However, I couldn't complete the back nine holes due to heavy rain and the rest of my group calling it quits (which I was quite disappointed about). Anyway, I spent another hour hitting balls in the rain and can honestly say that my accuracy has improved and my divots are pointing along the target line (or slightly to the right). Whether this is simply the honeymoon period or not is up for debate, but at least for the moment it's an improvement.
I made a similar thread on the ISG (I Seek Golf) forums, which is where Paul Hart (who is the closest AI to my location) regularly posts. It looks as if Paul would prefer a more upright swing as well, so these changes may just be temporary if I end up being taught by Paul.
Ultimately, I sincerely appreciate all the suggestions given to me. I'm even more appreciative if the suggestions are validated with good results.
Well, it certainly wasn't my intention to ignite an argument by uploading swing progression videos that implemented Bucket's suggestions. The fact of the matter is that I only have a basic understanding of TGM (however, I am slowly learning and always ensure that I look up suggested references in the book), so I found Bucket's post most helpful as he thoroughly guided me through the modifications that he believed my swing required. I am in no way implying that his suggestion is better than anyone elses, it's just that it was an easier process to implement for testing.
With the above being said, I played my first round of competitive golf in three years today and decided to take Bucket's suggestions straight to the course (which is usually a terrible idea without significant practice). I actually played to my handicap for the front nine holes (which was a surprise considering I haven't even practiced my short game or calculated yardages). However, I couldn't complete the back nine holes due to heavy rain and the rest of my group calling it quits (which I was quite disappointed about). Anyway, I spent another hour hitting balls in the rain and can honestly say that my accuracy has improved and my divots are pointing along the target line (or slightly to the right). Whether this is simply the honeymoon period or not is up for debate, but at least for the moment it's an improvement.
I made a similar thread on the ISG (I Seek Golf) forums, which is where Paul Hart (who is the closest AI to my location) regularly posts. It looks as if Paul would prefer a more upright swing as well, so these changes may just be temporary if I end up being taught by Paul.
Ultimately, I sincerely appreciate all the suggestions given to me. I'm even more appreciative if the suggestions are validated with good results.
Dude!!! First of all NICE!!! Keep up the good work . . .
Second . . . don't pay any attention to me and Daryl . . . this is what we do constantly . . . plus he has a crush on me.
What was the ball flying like? low/high? which way was it curving? How much? What were your misses doing? Any pattern?
Let's see the face on video with the handpath change . . . next step fix the hips/head chase . . .
Why does it rain everywhere you go? Are you some kind of Minister of Darkness and Evil Deeds?
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 07-29-2010 at 10:53 AM.
The thing I was alluding to about Alignments is important, so I want to explain it a bit. Your talking flatter vs upright etc so I got to.
The "flatter" Bucket reco'd to you does not mean flatter is better or anything. It was designed to help you to achieve a proper Alignment at Top something that Paul would concur with Id bet.
In brief: If you are swinging and using the ground up Downstroke Sequence of 6-M-1 (which you do quite naturally and wonderfully but with the added Hip Slide will be even more dynamic now, Hogan like) the left foot pulls the left knee which pulls the left hip which pulls the RIGHT shoulder down plane which pulls the Hands down plane. The only way the Right Shoulder can pull the Hands downplane is if they are both on the same INclined Plane at Top (only)!! This is the definition of the Turned Shoulder Plane.
If your Hands are above this Turned Shoulder Plane then a turn of the Right Shoulder will bring your Hands over the top of the plane automatically.
Everything in TGM is Alignment based. Too flat is just as bad as too upright. Flatter is not better. Bucket got you on the Turned Shoulder Plane and your downstroke showed its benefits.
The Startdown Waggles I reco'd are done from the Turned Shoulder Plane ideally as well. The Hip Slide will Tilt the Axis of your Shoulders and lower your Right Shoulder which makes taking it down the Inclined Plane easier. In the end your Shoulders will feel like they are traveling different paths on the way back and down and they are. Flat back and then Down Plane. The Standard Shoulder Turn, weird but man does it work. Why? Alignments again.
I'd work on your Flying Wedges at Address next. They an important Alignment if ever there was one.
What was the ball flying like? low/high? which way was it curving? How much? What were your misses doing? Any pattern?
The trajectory is generally lower. It appears to be more penetrating. When I feel that I execute the movements correctly I hit a nice little draw, otherwise it's a fade.
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Let's see the face on video with the handpath change . . . next step fix the hips/head chase . . .
I'll get some more videos taken today. I am heading out to the course shortly, even though it looks like it might rain again. Could you explain more in regards to the "hips/head chase" please?
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Why does it rain everywhere you go? Are you some kind of Minister of Darkness and Evil Deeds?
Could be, lol. It hasn't rained here for a while, just bad timing.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
The thing I was alluding to about Alignments is important, so I want to explain it a bit...
Thanks for explaining. I guess I am having difficulties updating my vocabulary to TGM.
I managed to get to the second hole today before the heavens opened up and continued to rain heavily for the next three hours. It was bad times. Anyway, I managed to get a couple of new swing videos recorded (see below). I can't take much from today, as trying to hold onto the club was like trying to hold onto a bar of soap. The misses tend to be thin or blocked fades/slices. I am also having trouble applying the changes to the full swing to the partial swings.
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