What's my course like? Well, they had a design competition. They chose the Sadist. 7100 yards / Slope 135. Add wind and it's like walking into an "Abyss". They give you an extra towel in the cart so you can wipe your tears. The only thing that they could do to make the course play harder is to let wild animals loose on the course during play.
Congrats City!
Next time we play I suspecty you'll be giving strokes.
Man, I love this thread. It is the best news I see anywhere.
Did you have your usual game today? Collect some quarters?
I have now entered the zone of giving people one or two strokes or being considered the "B" player on our weekday matches of four on four, or 3 on 3. Once upon a time, in April, I was considered a strong "D" player who could putt. I could pitch in two or three holes in 18 and be considered a help.
Today, we had two 15 hcp's and moi (13 on the "trend" which is what we play weekdays). We had 3, 3 on 3 matches, normally, there are as many as 30 guys but everyone's at the shore on vacation before school. We all played off the lowest player, an 8 hcp. today. I shot an 80 (I messed up four holes at least) and my team added an 87 and an 88. There is a $10 limit on the 2-ball match. We lost two matches. My birdies and pars yielded 9 "dingers" for a dollar each which beat out all other dingers by any team by $5. But, we lost the second ball in each match, all day. Crushed 2 side Nassau's, plus $ 8, so down $12
(Two down automatic presses, "natural" scores get a dot/dinger, sandys get a dot.)
I kept looking for help and realized on the front 9, after being 3 over on 4 holes, that there was no cavalry! I was it!
I adopted a policy for the last 14 holes to shoot the best, safest shot I could. I started aiming for the middle of everything! Fairways and greens!!!! I also started chipping with my PW, 9, or 8 after leaving 3 chips short. Low driving chips. Much better. I rehearsed that down stroke waggle until I knew where each shot was going.
Biggest mistakes came when I drove through the greens and found holes in the rough. Bladed a couple almost recovered, but lost 4 shots. I started driving with my 2 hybrid (220 yards) (you recommended) and that led to two birdies.
I just forgot that our greens are pretty soft and I really could carry the ball to the middle of each one and it would hold. I won't make that mistake Friday!
I actually had guys come up to me and complain about the unfairness of dingers being a dollar each! Me!? Are you kidding? I smiled and said, thank God for the $10 limit! I meant it!
About 6 weeks ago, when I was a 16 or so, myself and another guy, an 18 hcp., somehow got paired against a 3 and an 8 hcp. Bernie and I parred and bogied every hole. The 3 had 5 birdies and the 8 was 11 over. I felt bad for them, we crushed them and won $10 each. My point is that a scratch golfer has to be great when playing a hacker! No wonder Dodger never smiles (kidding) he's too used to being abused by hackers!
On the other hand, you and Kevin smile a lot! What's up with that?
I wonder if they make a one hybrid?
Pat
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
What's my course like? Well, they had a design competition. They chose the Sadist. 7100 yards / Slope 135. Add wind and it's like walking into an "Abyss". They give you an extra towel in the cart so you can wipe your tears. The only thing that they could do to make the course play harder is to let wild animals loose on the course during play.
The course and amenities are really nice! Cool web-show! Nice club house! Nice island green, very cool.
My course is a par 71 and a slope of 129. According to the USGA, I have a 13.8 index, which I have shot lower than all but one of the last 7 rounds. So, what I don't get is the idea that I would be 14 strokes over on your course, once, if I played it what, 3 times from the tips?
There is no f'n way, not to mention how the wind blows in the Midwest. After 5-7 rounds I might learn some of the stroke saving shortcuts and shoot an 85. Maybe.
We are playing Cedarbrook CC designed by Donald Ross on Tuesday, a small 72.5 par/ slope 137 in a GAP stableford event. If I use all my wits, and my Titleist NXT's, I'll feel like King Kong if I can hang an 80 on that course!
So, what's an avg. round for you there? I will believe you!
Pat
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
There's water and OB in play on almost every tee shot and approach shot. According to the old members the course was even harder before. It was originally built for 5 hcp and better, but they eased it up a few years ago. I guess they were running out of <5hcp players.
Still fun to play though - as long as you have some balls left
What's my course like? Well, they had a design competition. They chose the Sadist. 7100 yards / Slope 135. Add wind and it's like walking into an "Abyss". They give you an extra towel in the cart so you can wipe your tears. The only thing that they could do to make the course play harder is to let wild animals loose on the course during play.
I spent twice a year in the US not far from where you are, but I've never played Bolingbrook. At the time of my second stay (2004-2005) I was just a beginner and played
far more forgiving courses
There's water and OB in play on almost every tee shot and approach shot. According to the old members the course was even harder before. It was originally built for 5 hcp and better, but they eased it up a few years ago. I guess they were running out of <5hcp players.
Still fun to play though - as long as you have some balls left
My course doesn't have that but it would be fun if people posted those "overviews" of their favorite course. Thanks for doing that.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
My course doesn't have that but it would be fun if people posted those "overviews" of their favorite course. Thanks for doing that.
Ya know, that 39 you shot is a "milestone". It may only seem like one stroke better to you but it sounds to me like you're getting ready for a big breakthrough.
I have a theory. I think that to lower your score from 95 to 85 you have to be twice as good but to go from 85 to 78 you have to be 10 times better. I think that that's where you're headed. But that's just general "Golf Stroke" improvement. Once you break the 80 mark, you're going to be a lot more specific about swing changes and the way you approach each hole on the course.
I think that this is where the "journey" gets fun. Unfortunately, Winter is approaching.
Let me know when you start shooting 78 consistently so I only need to give you 5 strokes.................per side.
Ya know, that 39 you shot is a "milestone". It may only seem like one stroke better to you but it sounds to me like you're getting ready for a big breakthrough.
I have a theory. I think that to lower your score from 95 to 85 you have to be twice as good but to go from 85 to 78 you have to be 10 times better. I think that that's where you're headed. But that's just general "Golf Stroke" improvement. Once you break the 80 mark, you're going to be a lot more specific about swing changes and the way you approach each hole on the course.
I think that this is where the "journey" gets fun. Unfortunately, Winter is approaching.
Let me know when you start shooting 78 consistently so I only need to give you 5 strokes.................per side.
I was speaking to Gerry, Kevin, Dodger, Bartly et al., and Dodger finished 2nd, in his club championship at the end of JUly ( by one stroke). The shorter summer in the Midwest moves events up, I think. We do not play our championship until the end of October, though.
It feels like your observations are correct about the magnitude of difficulty in improvement. I shot a 44 in my 5th round after coming back from Kevin and Gerry. It felt like my old 95's used to feel for the whole round! Concentrating on each shot, is it's own reward and always provides a path to a lower score.
But you underestimate, somewhat, the effectiveness of this site and y'all's input.
The Angle Hinge at the end of Impact Fix hands is all-telling. The Hula set-up, from which I trace or RFT makes the back-swing simple. No hip in the way to mess up the down-stroke. As you and Kevin showed me, open feet angles make the essential Pivot powerful. Starting the down-stroke as Right foot push gives me lots of down shoulder right arm from which to hit through the ball.
My biggest obstacle was my own physical fear of losing balance by pivoting too hard. But the Ted Fort Address video, Kevin, Gerry, OB everyone just showed me I could and should do the hit slowly. The hip pictures and marching drills by you and EDZ's drills were fabulous in confirming the logical pieces of the bio-mechanical puzzle.
Honestly, knowing how to get off the tee and proper ball position (Kevin/Gerry) means my only real question is what club do I hit to the center of the green and what will the conditions do to my shot?
Since I have been using the push putting stroke, my line is always within a ball of being correct. The only question is speed of greens. I missed 10 birdie strokes yesterday. 2 putts were below the hole from about 20 feet. I knew I needed one more club but played it too safe. I missed those putts by less than an inch. Another put was 2 clubs short and I missed it by five feet. Five other putts were within 10 feet of the pin by design. I hit them right where I wanted to and they stuck. I missed 3 of those putts by less than a ball in each occasion. I made 4 birdies for the first time ever!
This TGM is basic, logical, simple, self-reinforcing and wonderfully explained here by the peeps, here. Don't underestimate its effectiveness! ( I was a professional tennis instructor for a very brief three years to teach for Arthur Ashe tennis. LBG has all the tools within TGM to help people who wish to become better golfers, become much better golfers!)
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
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Ya know, that 39 you shot is a "milestone". It may only seem like one stroke better to you but it sounds to me like you're getting ready for a big breakthrough.
I have a theory. I think that to lower your score from 95 to 85 you have to be twice as good but to go from 85 to 78 you have to be 10 times better. I think that that's where you're headed. But that's just general "Golf Stroke" improvement. Once you break the 80 mark, you're going to be a lot more specific about swing changes and the way you approach each hole on the course.
I think that this is where the "journey" gets fun. Unfortunately, Winter is approaching.
Let me know when you start shooting 78 consistently so I only need to give you 5 strokes.................per side.
Yoda, 1969, Two Plane Lines One Feel:"However, G.O.L.F. being the precision system that it is, Homer was then compelled to drill down a little deeper, and in 2-F he states that The Golfing Machine application for the #3 Pressure Point, the Plane Angle, and its Plane Line always refers to the Center of Gravity application (the Sweet Spot). This was his way of resolving the rather incongruous fact that there really are two different Inclined Planes of Motion (that of the Club shaft and that of the Sweet Spot) and yet they are both controlled by the #3 Pressure Point tracing only one baseline, namely that of the orbiting Sweet Spot.
The club is an instrument with a soul, like a fine musical instrument. It is not activated until it is touched by a person with sensitivity to the needs and wants of the club's design.
The club does not cooperate unless it is on its inclined plane. It wants structure and stability before yielding it's sweetest prize of power and flowing, smooth precision. It comes alive as a person's # 3 PP gently restrains it's upswing momentum. But it is then fully alive only with the cooperation and timing of the Pivot and the smooth thrust of # 3 PP.
The reason the one #3 Pressure Point can control both Planes of Motion while Tracing only one Plane Line (that of the Sweet Spot)can be found in 5-0. The Hands executing the Third Imperative -- via the Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point Tracing -- automatically dictate total Component compliance with the Delivery Line (Sweet Spot Plane Line) requirements.And that includes the Club shaft. This means that when the Sweet Spot Traces its Plane Line through Impact, then the Club shaft automatically will be Tracing its own Club shaft Plane Line as well.
The golfer who swings feels the resting of the shaft at TOP and the hitter feels it at END. That rapturous feeling tells the golfer with skilled or educated hands that the countdown to release has begun and that only a smooth pivot and measured right forearm thrust via #3 PP will provide the hands the chance to direct the club shaft as it wishes to move through the ball down, out and forward along the inclined plane. The lag pressure never quits. The lag is the rail of light. The lag is the golf stroke.
The problem is that the lag is invisible and is felt on # 3 PP most directly. But I can show it to you, or rather Moe Norman could and did:
The Player's solution to all this "drawing board" stuff is simply to return to his original primary concern; namely, the Hands and their Club head Lag, Flat Left Wrist and Plane Line (6-G-0). Then, driving the Hands -- not the club! -- toward the Ball (Delivery Path 10-23-0), and using the #3 Lag Pressure Point Tracing to seek out the Delivery Line (per 6-C-2-A) -- not the Ball! -- will result in the joy that is hearing the crack!!of solid Impact, feeling that flush contactradiate -- as Hogan described it, "up the Shaft, through your Hands,and into your heart" -- and seeing the Ball streak forthe Flag! .
When that happens, you will not be thinking about Plane Lines. "
The sweet spot is real, but only in motion. You must do it to see it.
The golfer takes a hold of the club as Moses took a hold of his shaft to release the snake of YHWH which would consume the smaller vipers of Pharaoh's magicians. His staff was firm and strong yet pulsating with life and power. Moses simply had to thrust his staff out,forward and down, to see the power and precision of YHWH's plan. He had to do it to see it. Faith and works, not static but dynamic.
The golfer can only really monitor # 3 PP as it contacts the shaft. The golfer must balance the Pivot with RF thrust to feel the living and heavy accelerating sweet spot. The desire to drive that sweet spot determines how all zones will react.
How did I get here? I have played almost daily in the last four weeks, ugh. I was thinking about Daryl's diagram of his effort in golfing vs mine and I got exhausted! After my mediocre performance, I went to the driving range.
I started swinging. I looked over and over. Just a little Pivot aligned my vertically cocked left wrist. So simple and easy. So powerful! Then, remembering Yoda's vertically un-cocking left wrist and how the little flywheel of the shoulder sent the club screaming into the ground, I tilted ever so slightly. The ball lept off the clubs, with precision and some power. Not enough, though.
What was missing? How could I increase the pressure on # 2 PP and # 4 PP? SLOW DOWN. FEEL THE PRESSURE BUILD. SUSTAIN THE LAG, SUSTAIN, THE LAG, SUSTAIN THE LAG!! As I felt # 4 PP load, so did # 2 and # 3. I had to move to SUSTAIN THE LAG!!!!!!!
I moved slowly and then there was only one feeling. I felt the sweet spot on # 3 PP on the shaft and it trembled for me as I moved slowly. ( I could smell her perfume... sorry )
Still not enough power. I thought of the Swinger's rope pull. Pivot, # 4 PP and # 2, and # 3 PP was all I knew! I felt my balance moving downhill to my shorter leg, and pulling the sweet spot (# 3 PP) faster! Glancing blow of the driver! I had the sweet spot under control and I lost it! I had to maintain the lag, sustain it! A little turn back to feel the sweet spot load and a little tilt of the Pivot to activate # 3 PP and the right elbow said, hello !
Back-swing, load # 2 and # 4 PP, down-swing, # 3 PP and back elbow with a gradual push, not the frantic thrusting I had played with before! My old Adams Redline driver flew the 250 yard marker on its way to the woods behind with a deafening, deep "thunk!" Again! Again! Again! Again! Again! Again! I had stopped looking at the ball and simply felt the sweet spot load on # 4, # 2, and # 3 PP and then pushed the aft part of the shaft at the speed of the Pivot. Slow, fast, faster.."THUNK!"
I could do it all night. Would I be able to hit with it? Slow RFT, Pivot, hello sweet-spot lag Pivot as fast as I could while maintaining # 3 PP against the aft part of the shaft! a little Extensor Action helped me feel the sweet spot more clearly and "Thunk"
No wonder the pros move so smoothly and with such balance! Thanks, guys!
Patrick
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
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Pivot as fast as I could while maintaining # 3 PP against the aft part of the shaft! a little Extensor Action helped me feel the sweet spot more clearly and "Thunk"
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