Thanks for the reply, O.B. I see your point about the right arm. I can see how the right arm could thrust without roll. Now, are the 3 hinge actions in reference to the impact interval only? I mean, eventually the clubface has to roll on the plane in a full-power stroke, no?
Thanks for the reply, O.B. I see your point about the right arm. I can see how the right arm could thrust without roll. Now, are the 3 hinge actions in reference to the impact interval only? I mean, eventually the clubface has to roll on the plane in a full-power stroke, no?
Not sure I follow but I believe the answer lies in the difference between Hinge Action and Swivel. Theres a lot of posts on these terms around here if you want to use the search function. But Ill take a stab at it.
Instead of thinking about the clubface rolling onto the plane if you think about the left hand (the one we use for Hinge Action control) it would relate better between the two concepts and be more true to Homers thoughts as well.
Hinge Action is a holding of the left hand perpendicular to one of the three Basic Planes (the ground or the horizontal basic plane, a wall or the vertical basic plane or any inclined plane in between those two extremes, an angled basic plane) . So assume you're employing Horizontal on the way back .....you keep your left hand perpendicular to the ground ........which is fine and dandy to a point, but to get from there over to the inclined plane you have to depart from this aligned rolling , you gotta get your left palm pointing down to the ground a bit right? Im thinking that's the Swivel onto the plane. Its a rolling that is not aligned to a basic plane that "swivels" the left hand onto the inclined plane......3 times during the swing. It the bridge between the Inclined Plane and Hinge Action.
So yes the Hinge Action is employed throughout the impact interval. Swivel gets the hand onto the inclined plane. There's different feels associated with different Hinge Actions ........Homer's idea was to learn the feels associated with these different alignments and then use feel to play the game. Practice the mechanics, play by feel. The translation of mechanics to feel. etc.
Never thought of it in those terms before but ......maybe thats an easy way to describe things . Somebody once told me it takes five years to understand hinge action, Im only about three years in so.....
From impact, does the body(center of the chest) pivot with the left arm to follow through?
Depends on the pattern and the accumulators used, but yes it is far more consistent a pattern IMO if the hands and chest move through impact together as 'result'. That is the only possible way to justify saying hinge action is somewhere other than zone 3 (which is another topic all together, and one not appropriate in this thread)
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The next step in understanding hinge action is to understand how the right arm's motion effects the rate of clubface closing.
Until you can get that, it is easy to confuse hinge action and swivel.
For a swinger, using standard wrist action, the release swivel puts the face back to perpendicular to the plane, but the rate of closing, the rhythm, is determined by the straighting right arm (no matter if that is a motion caused by the pivot's throw out, or an action caused by the right tricepts thrust)
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Can hinge action be summed like so...
Horizontal= clubface closes to the inclined plane
Angled= clubface stays perpendicular to the inclined
Vertical=clubface opens on the inclined plane
?
Can hinge action be summed like so...
Horizontal= clubface closes to the inclined plane
Angled= clubface stays perpendicular to the inclined
Vertical=clubface opens on the inclined plane
?
A lot of people have reduced it to this perhaps but it lacks precision. Which can be the difference between a par save and a bogey. So Id say the answer is no. You're close but its worth the effort to fully understand the alignments.
Get a ping pong paddle and stick it in your left hand and try moving it back and forth while keeping it (the paddle) perpendicular to one of the three basic planes. You'll notice also that your left hand grip can be a little turned on the paddle's handle like it would for a common golf grip. Thats a good thing, thats ok just watch the paddle, keep it as the de facto left hand. Watch the paddle , then make the same motion without the paddle and watch the left hand (still turned its the new flat or perpendicular).
You've got a good guy here in EdZ......he's got some insight on this business. You could search this using his name or Yoda's. You could buy the Alignment Golf c.d., you could check out the free videos which cover this. There are some animations somewhere....
Dont give up till you can reproduce the three hinge actions......with little chips or pitches (Basic or Acquired Motion) and then from the three ball positions (Forward, Back and Middle) and the different plane lines..... and the different face angles (open , square , closed). By this point you're going to feel Phil Mickelson good with your short shots and your long game'll seem way easier. But even then there's being able to do it Hitting or Swinging......and then the different minor basic strokes within each .....the Pull, the Paw, the Push , the Bat etc ..........this is the road to mastering the game, to having a masters level of execution and precision.
It all about precision , precision alignments reproduced by the associated feel.
Can hinge action be summed like so...
Horizontal= clubface closes to the inclined plane
Angled= clubface stays perpendicular to the inclined
Vertical=clubface opens on the inclined plane
?
I have trouble just delivering the club to a constant impact alignment, should I even entertain the need to use different hinges?
gmbtempe my whole thing with Hinging being irrelevant is that I cant imagine not using it.......so Id say you should do some work on it when chipping and pitching.
When Im watching the guys on tv I see different Hinge Actions .......and the vast majority of these guys dont know about the three basic planes. Maybe this is why some guys struggle with certain shots? Arnie didnt have good flop shot say. I dunno. Although, and Im going from memory here Ill have to take another look at it, didnt Arnies old book sort of describe Hinging for bump and run shots.. what we'd call Horizontal Hinging? Hmmmm or was it Jacks book? I think it was one of Arnies. Got to dig those things out its been years since I looked at them.
Homer didnt invent Hinging ......he only defined its underlying geometry.
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