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Old 11-12-2010, 06:59 AM
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Air,


You and I have corresponded, but I don't think the rest of the gang has heard yet of your plan to return next March. Your private golf cart (with the yellow 'all access' flag!) is waiting!

I know you don't want to sacrifice even a day of your Norwegian golf season, but if you could delay your trip until the second week in April, I've got a Masters badge with your name on it. After all, Augusta is only 90 miles east of Cuscowilla, and you might as well make it the journey of a lifetime!

Also, there's a good chance you'll have a 'fairway friend' to share the day with . . . Scotland's own Alex Chung! Two of my favorite guys from 'way up north' having fun 'way down south'.

Fun!


You are really tempting me here, but unfortunately I don't think I want to wait so long as April, even though I'll miss a wonderful opportunity that you offer me. I am more than happy to come in the middle of March and don't need to top it with something even better a month later - however tempting it sounds. But thank you for the possibility that I'm stupid enough not to take advantage of - this time... As usual I'll follow it on the TV instead - together with my memories from Oktober AND March. That's more than satisfying enough for me. Sorry.
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Old 11-12-2010, 11:15 AM
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It's a little difficult to continue my own stuff like nothing has happened. I feel bad that I have turned down Yoda's offer, but it didn't fit in with my plans and season preparations. Too bad.

I have done as I intended reading the sick of hacking interview again. It really nails it. I guess that's what the Taly is for - to help educate the hands/wrists to keep their alignments in the stroke. But even if the wrists are "tamed" there can still be an urge to hit at the ball and not so much thru it as desirable. But that has probably more to do with a 20 year old feeling that has to go - together with tendencies to steering, that is caused by wanting too much to hit the ball forward, rather than swinging down and out, coming from the inside with a closing clubface that makes the ball go straight and not to the right...?

I'm not sure what to focus on together with the basic motion. Probably the right forearm and index finger (on line and on plane) tracing the target line. And without the club with the right wrist bent at the top of the swing try to notice how the right forearm comes down without OTT preserving the flying wedges. A startdown waggle emphasizes this I guess? I hope this is correct and something to work on. I'm just talking to myself out of the top of my head...
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Old 11-12-2010, 12:39 PM
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I'd also work on my pivot if I were you. Learn to turn and swing from the feet.

The McDonald "walking" drill looks like it is made for hooking up the footwork with the upper body work.

Another good rehersal is to place a club across the shoulders, one hand at each end of the club, assume the stance and turn back and through, back and through, back and through. Into a full finish. Not swinging a club that flies off and pull your shoulders to the finish is actually an advantage in this drill. You are forced to move your hips and shoulders all the way to the finish by using muscle powered motion all the way.
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Old 11-12-2010, 01:02 PM
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I'd also work on my pivot if I were you. Learn to turn and swing from the feet.

The McDonald "walking" drill looks like it is made for hooking up the footwork with the upper body work.

Another good rehersal is to place a club across the shoulders, one hand at each end of the club, assume the stance and turn back and through, back and through, back and through. Into a full finish. Not swinging a club that flies off and pull your shoulders to the finish is actually an advantage in this drill. You are forced to move your hips and shoulders all the way to the finish by using muscle powered motion all the way.

Thanks, sounds like a good idea.
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Old 11-12-2010, 01:53 PM
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.........I'm not sure what to focus on together with the basic motion. Probably the right forearm and index finger (on line and on plane) tracing the target line....
It occurs to me that Basic Motion includes the study of the Primary Lever and the mechanics of Hinging. So, the Left Arm moves independent of the stationary Pivot. If the Left Arm is glued to the torso, then Hinge Action isn't available.
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:17 PM
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It occurs to me that Basic Motion includes the study of the Primary Lever and the mechanics of Hinging. So, the Left Arm moves independent of the stationary Pivot. If the Left Arm is glued to the torso, then Hinge Action isn't available.
I'm not sure what this means (big surprise). I haven't said anything about the left arm glued to the torso, have I? BTW I thought the left arm is just like a lifeless string (or a belt like Yoda shows in his Golf Channel video) which has no power and movement in itself, but is controlled and moved by the right arm and elbow in the takeawy and backstroke up to the top - but this is perhaps something else than what you are talking about? But if you want, you can try to clear this up for me.
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:22 PM
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I'm not sure what this means (big surprise). I haven't said anything about the left arm glued to the torso, have I? BTW I thought the left arm is just like a lifeless string (or a belt like Yoda shows in his Golf Channel video) which has no power and movement in itself, but is controlled and moved by the right arm and elbow in the takeawy and backstroke up to the top - but this is perhaps something else than what you are talking about. But if you want, you can try to clear this up for me.
No, you haven't said anything about gluing the Left Arm to the Chest. It's always on my mind, but you were asking for ideas on what to focus on when practicing Basic Motion, and I thought that one of the things you might consider is the arms moving independent of the Torso. Just something to focus attention on.
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:27 PM
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Creating Hinge Action -- Alternatives To Arm Motion
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It occurs to me that Basic Motion includes the study of the Primary Lever and the mechanics of Hinging. So, the Left Arm moves independent of the stationary Pivot. If the Left Arm is glued to the torso, then Hinge Action isn't available.
Daryl,

As presented in Stage One of the Basic Motion Curriculum (12-5-1), you are absolutely correct. However . . .

Readers may be interested to know that, in practice, the three Hinge Action Clubface Motions through Impact (Full Roll, Half Roll and No Roll) "can also be duplicated (exactly) with Wrists only, Arms only or Body only manipulations using Minor Basic Strokes" [7-10].

The Minor Basic Strokes describe the Arm Motions (or lack thereof) in the Short Shots. For example, the Peck Minor Basic Stroke (10-3-F) is a 'Wrist-Action only' Stroke, i.e., no Arm Swing. Lacking the Arm Motion to provide the Hinging Action, it requires a different Grip Type (10-2-D for Angled and Vertical Hinging versus 10-2-B for Horizontal Hinging).

Another Minor Basic Stroke that features 'no Arm Swing' is Paw (10-3-H). The polar opposite of Peck, this Stroke has zero Wrist Action and moves the Club only by 'rocking' the Body. Specifically, the player uses the Rotated Shoulder Turn (10-13-C) to create either Vertical or Angled Hinging.

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Old 11-12-2010, 02:32 PM
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No, you haven't said anything about gluing the Left Arm to the Chest. It's always on my mind, but you were asking for ideas on what to focus on when practicing Basic Motion, and I thought that one of the things you might consider is the arms moving independent of the Torso. Just something to focus attention on.
Fine. I'm glad for every contribution. Thanks.

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I intend to have 2000 posts by August 3 - one year since I became a member..
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:58 PM
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It occurs to me that Basic Motion includes the study of the Primary Lever and the mechanics of Hinging. So, the Left Arm moves independent of the stationary Pivot. If the Left Arm is glued to the torso, then Hinge Action isn't available.
Maybe I can borrow something from the hacker interview to shed light on this question:

Q: Is there a best way to apply these principles?

A: You bet. Start with the short shots, the little chips and pitches. Thousands of them. Here is where you learn the basics of grip, stance, posture, the stationary head, the straight left arm and the bending right arm, the right forearm position and right triceps extension, tracing the line, the impact hands location and clubshaft forward lean, and most of all, the motion of the hands through impact.

Here is where you rid yourself once and for all of the old ‘bending left wrist, flattening right wrist’ throwing motion at the ball. And you do it by concentrating on keeping the left wrist flat and accepting nothing less until it is. Only when you’ve mastered the flat left wrist should you expand the program to include the full pivot strokes. That’s because, without it, nothing else works very well, and more information means only more confusion.
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