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Old 11-15-2010, 11:03 PM
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Makin' Motions . . . Makin' Shots
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But I feel some pressure as well. The last day I was put to the test - and I did better than expected. How would it be to come back and perform worse than last time.? If that would the case, would I manage to take it like a man or a spoiled brat? I don't know.

Why am I dwelling on this?

I experienced it as unreal - almost to good to be true. Where do you go from there?
Not to worry, Air.

Over a period of five days, we built your Motion. We took it from 'where it was' to 'where it could be'. Indeed, we took it from 'can't' to 'can'.

True, many of your shots on our final days were wonderful. Far beyond anything you had ever hit. When you hit those last twenty or so drivers Saturday, was that just some kind of 'miracle'? When you hit the target pole from 60 yards Sunday -- first shot -- with a little 'bread and butter' knock-down and with three pro's watching, do you think that was an 'accident'?

We don't have to 're-create' those next March, Air.

We don't have to go down to the 'Lost and Found' department and look for them.

They are there.

Within you.

You -- and your Motion -- made those shots.

Alignments were the key.

And those, we can handle.

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Old 11-16-2010, 05:51 AM
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Not to worry, Air.

Over a period of five days, we built your Motion. We took it from 'where it was' to 'where it could be'. Indeed, we took it from 'can't' to 'can'.

True, many of your shots on our final days were wonderful. Far beyond anything you had ever hit. When you hit those last twenty or so drivers Saturday, was that just some kind of 'miracle'? When you hit the target pole from 60 yards Sunday -- first shot -- with a little 'bread and butter' knock-down and with three pro's watching, do you think that was an 'accident'?

We don't have to 're-create' those next March, Air.

We don't have to go down to the 'Lost and Found' department and look for them.

They are there.

Within you.

You -- and your Motion -- made those shots.

Alignments were the key.

And those, we can handle.


You know how to say the right things. A student should trust his teacher. I do. I have to get rid of my usual self doubt: 21 years on the one side and 5 - or even just one? day - on the other side. And what will the effect of the long winter be? But - you are right - I know what I know, accordingly it's just to do the same motions each time and trust it and not just have sporadicly good shots based on pure luck not knowing what I was doing as the case was earlier...
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:38 AM
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Tuesday 16.11.10
p 116-119, 125, 131.


ZONE #2 (Arms Zone)


This zone includes the following Basic Components:

- Basic Grips (overlapping, interlocking, etc)
- Grip Types (strong, weak, etc)
- Basic Strokes
- Stroke Types & Variations
- Impact Fix
- Address
- Pressure Point Combinations
- Left Wrist action
- Lag Loading
- Trigger Types
- Power Package Assembly Point
- Power Package Loading Action

The arms are responsible for power as they include all of the elements of force and motion of bringing the clubHEAD into the ball.

The arms also dictate whether a golfer is a 'swinger' or a 'hitter' and what type of lag loading procedure the golfer uses. A golfer can either drive load, drag load or float load, all of which help determine if they are a 'hitter' or a 'swinger.' I will go into these procedures in later posts, just note that this is part of the fuction of the arms.

Another important quote from Homer Kelley:


'Good Golf is Power Golf -- don't be mislead by 'Accuracy' problems. As you master power (aka Zone #2) you will gain a basic Clubface Control (Accuracy...aka Zone #3).'


Homer also notes that Zone #3, which is responsible for accuracy, can never be any better than its Zone #1 and Zone #2 support.

From my experience and talking to people who have gone from the same experience, usually golfers are swinging and striking the ball their best when they are hitting the ball with optimal power. I'm not stating that they are swinging harder, I'm stating that when they take their normal swing they are hitting the ball as powerfully as they can hit the ball. When they do this, not only do they gain distance, but they also start hitting the ball more accurate. A great example was Greg Norman in the final round of the '96 Masters. Norman noted that on the par-3 4th hole he hit one flush and still wound up short of the green and into the bunker. He mentioned that he knew his timing was off that day since he wasn't hitting the ball with his usual power. As a result, his accuracy suffered as well. Thus, Zone #3 (accuracy) can never be better than Zone #1 (pivot/body control) and Zone #2 (power/arms control)

Homer then talks about when you're practicing to improve your stroke, you should look, look, LOOK in order to monitor the motion of your arms. Zone #3 deals with the hands, but you should swing the club by swinging your arms (you can use your pivot to help you swing those arms). The reason why Homer wants the golfer to monitor the arms is that if they are not using the proper motion and they are not swinging, then the golfer will tend to use the hands (Zone #3) to move the clubhead thru the ball...aka 'flipping.' Homer states that when monitoring the motion of the arms (Zone #2), if the flat left wrist, lag pressure and/or delivery line become lost or even vague, stop immediately and find that flat left wrist or that lag pressure or that delivery line before you start creating a bad habit.

I believe Homer Kelley was a big fan of Hogan's practice of swinging in slow-motion as a way to monitor the components of the swing, particularly the arms.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...ome-Video.html

Read more: http://richie3jack.proboards.com/ind...x zz15OXxFlqV



ZONE #3 (Hands Zone)


This includes the following components:

- Plane Line
- Plane Angle - Basic
- Plane Angle - Variations
- Power Package Delivery Path
- Power Package Release
- Hinge Action

As I discussed before, the hands zone is responsible for accuracy while the arms zone is responsible for power. Here again is the Lee Trevino video showing how the hands, in particular the left hand controls the clubface. Control the clubface and you control the ball flight and improve your accuracy.

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Read more: http://richie3jack.proboards.com/ind...x zz15OYU3y8u

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Chapter 8 (Twelve Sections - Itinerary and Preperations)

While there are 24 components in the Golf Swing (aka the Golfing Machine), that's different from the 12 sections of the actual swing. MORAD and S&T systems use a way of describing these section as 'parallels.' For instance, 'P2' is when the clubshaft is parallel to the ground on the backswing. Z3 is when the left arm is parallel to the ground on the backswing. Z5 is when the clubshaft returns to parallel on the downswing...and so on and so forth. This is different from components which check things like hip turn, elbow position on the downswing, grip, etc. Homer Kelley didn't create a 'Parallel' system like Mac O'Grady did. Instead he just labeled them into 12 sections. I will translate the only sections I seem that are not quite self-explanatory

Section 2 - Impact Fix - Impact fix is the golfer addressing the ball with 'impact hands' instead of 'address hands.' Here's a sequenced photo of Tiger Woods swing at address and then at impact. Notice the difference in the alignment of the hands.



If the golfer wants to, they can just keep the hands at the same position they would be at impact. This is known as 'impact fix.' Here's a pic of a golfer with his hands at impact fix.



I actually use impact fix on punch shots when I want to take a full swing, but keep the ball a little lower than normal.

Section 3 - Adjusted Address - This is the section where the golfer has already taken their practice swing and waggles and decided where they want their hands at address (either impact hands or 'mid-body' hands --- i.e. the butt of the club pointing towards the belt buckle) and then assumes the address position.

Section 9 - Release - I feel this is often misinterpreted by golfers, but my translation of the release is that it's the point where all of the power and lag pressure the golfer has accumulated is now released and the goal is to release all of that into the ball. If you do it before the clubhead reaches the ball, then you will not get optimal results. It's not about rotating the club over.

Section 10 - Impact - Homer talks about 'seperation.' That's just the point after the clubhead makes contact where the ball is no longer touching the clubface or it 'seperates' from the clubface. It's actually important when understanding D-Plane because technically the initial direction of ball flight is mostly due to the angle of the clubface at seperation. Most who understand D-Plane will say it's due to the face angle at impact...either not realizing it's seperation or trying to prevent some possible, unnecessary confusion. But the reason why shots off the toe tend to start out to the right is at impact the face angle is square, but the contact off the toe actually opens the clubface at seperation, causing the ball to initially fly out to the right.

http://richie3jack.proboards.com/ind...lay&thread=192

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The stationary head.


The head is situated quite nicely on top of and in the middle of the shoulders, so you don't have to anything drasticly with your head to maintain this position. "Keep your head down" is not always the right thing to do, if it constrains the swing. And also avoid excessive axis tilt that moves the head and the swing center of the left shoulder too far behind the ball. Move the ball in the stance instead and the head will automaticly be moved in relation to the ball. The head does what the head does and the ball does what the ball does. And the head may swivel to see where the ball goes instead of you staring into the ground long after the ball is gone. The important thing is to avoid swaying and bobbing of the head - and not so much focusing on keeping the head behind the ball, but keeping the HANDS in front of both the ball and the head at impact.
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Old 11-16-2010, 10:58 AM
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Reading that was "Brutal". I could "Feel" my Heart rate increase.

It was like watching someone send coffee beans through a grinder, (as if that's not painful enough) and then, having to watch that same person trying to put them back together again.

I just don't understand how someone (not you Air) could read such a beautifully complex and interwoven, ingenious, and elegant system like the Golfing Machine and not "see" the right, and then take a ridiculously pedestrian idea like the "D" Plane and not see the wrong. Then use the two in the same sentence?
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:03 AM
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Reading that was "Brutal". I could "Feel" my Heart rate increase.

It's like sending coffee beans though a grinder and then trying to put them back together again.
In what way?
I'm just trying to ease my way into the book. This isn't the way, you mean?
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:56 PM
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Hi Air,

I don’t know how to express myself in this matter. It may take some time for me to think about it before I respond.

But: "The arms are responsible for power as they include all of the elements of force and motion of bringing the clubHEAD into the ball." Really?

There are ten or more other statements as misrepresenting as this one. Ah; whatever. Don't pay any attention to me. Forget-about-it.
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:13 PM
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Hi Air,

I don’t know how to express myself in this matter. It may take some time for me to think about it before I respond.

But: "The arms are responsible for power as they include all of the elements of force and motion of bringing the clubHEAD into the ball." Really?

There are ten or more other statements as misrepresenting as this one. Ah; whatever. Don't pay any attention to me. Forget-about-it.
Maybe it isn't such a good idea to copy this? It's just a way for me to organize the daily program of my reading of 3 pages in TGM. If I read them both I thought that would make it easier to understand the one that counts...?
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I think you're doing well Air,

And when you have digested Daryl's comments you will be doing even better.
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BerntR View Post
I think you're doing well Air,

And when you have digested Daryl's comments you will be doing even better.
Ya, Air, you're doing great. You're way ahead of me when I started. A little at a time. A little everyday. It adds up fast.
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Bernt and Daryl - thx for your encouraging words.
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