What's the rationale for the sweetspot/clubface facing the ground immediately? To train the hands for immediate release, immediate/full release from top? As Mr. Yoga said, clubhead release arc is longer with more PA3 angle, so have to release immediately, correct? Any advice for the right hand/arm participation and timing?
Respectfully.
Let me clarify....sweetspot looking at the ball....this drill the club doesn't get too much higher than parallel to the ground.
as far as the right arm goes...depends on the procedure...in swinging the right elbow is going to lead...sweetspot will look at the ball later...hitting the right elbow is punch...simultaneous release type...so sweetspot will not lay on the face of the plane near as long...right forearm will be responsible for pushing/throwing out the sweetspot to the ball...but that doesnt meean the hands get thrown out...it's the clubhead...
The more acute #3 Angle definitely can result in a lower Clubhead Speed. However, it is incorrect to state that the Power is lessened because of "additional Clubhead Travel". Unless #3 is zeroed, #3 Clubhead Travel is identical (at all Clubhead Speeds) for any amount of Angle and for both Horizontal and Angled Hinge Action. The 'No Roll' of Vertical Hinge Action effectively zeroes the #3 Accumulator (which, by definition, negates the #3 "Roll").
So, if the distance the Clubhead travels (to the end of the Follow-Through and its Both Arms Straight position / Section 11) doesn't lessen Power, then what does? Answer: The longer Release Arc, e.g., if you double the travel time (of the Release), you halve the travel rate. Study 2-M-2 and 6-N-0.
Yoda perhaps I'm miss reading your post above. Or more likely I have something wrong again. But all things being equal I have always thought the club head travel associated with Vertical Hinging to be longer than that of Angled.
Yoda perhaps I'm miss reading your post above. Or more likely I have something wrong again. But all things being equal I have always thought the club head travel associated with Vertical Hinging to be longer than that of Angled.
Please set me straight.
Regards
O.B.
Your question really confuses me. Did you write vertical hinging but meant horizontal hinging? I thought I now understood that the hinge action - f.ex. in the basic motion - has a different RHYTHM depending on which hinge action you choose. Vertical Hinging is the shortest clubhead movement in the followthru - and horizontal the longest and angled in between. Or am I talking about something completely different here? I hope not!
Yoda perhaps I'm misreading your post above. Or more likely I have something wrong again. But all things being equal I have always thought the club head travel associated with Vertical Hinging to be longer than that of Angled.
Please set me straight.
From Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position), the Flat Left Wrist is held vertical to one of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled, or Vertical). This is the Hinge Action concept, and it is the player's means of Clubface Control.
Holding the Left Wrist vertical to the Horizontal Plane produces the longest Clubhead Travel. Holding it vertical to the Vertical Plane produces the shortest. Holding the Left Wrist vertical to an Angled Plane (somewhere between the Horizontal and the Vertical) produces a Clubhead Travel that is likewise "somewhere in between".
To verify, go into a static Follow-Through position, then simply rotate the Left Wrist through the three alignments. You will see just how dependent Clubhead Travel is on the Left Wrist alignment and, as a result, how each Hinge Action has its own Rhythm (RPM of the Clubhead and Hands around the theoretical Left Shoulder Hinge Pin, i.e., the Arm Swing Center).
Here's a little video I shot impromptu a few years ago at the close of our Golf Academy at The Barclays. It moves pretty fast, so newbies -- we love you! -- might have to watch it a few times to catch the drift. Stay with it, though, because it is the 'open sesame' to the three Hinge Actions and their Rhythms, collectively among the most liberating concepts in golf.
Let me clarify....sweetspot looking at the ball....this drill the club doesn't get too much higher than parallel to the ground.
as far as the right arm goes...depends on the procedure...in swinging the right elbow is going to lead...sweetspot will look at the ball later...hitting the right elbow is punch...simultaneous release type...so sweetspot will not lay on the face of the plane near as long...right forearm will be responsible for pushing/throwing out the sweetspot to the ball...but that doesnt meean the hands get thrown out...it's the clubhead...
Bucket,
Thanks. I'm interested in the swinging as the main pattern.
But you think it's possible to be a switter AND still rely mainly on pa3 as power source? I mean, no pa2 release at all. As a matter of fact, there's effort to inhibit release of pa2 in order to maintain the pa3 angle, which in turn improves accuracy. Pa1 release by p5.5? I think it's not possible to do simultaneously pa3 release via supination and pa1 release. But what do you think? If possible, how?
Re longer release arc or interval of having more pa3 angle, you said it's slower. Why? Because a given effort needs to be distributed on a wider arc, so in effect lessening speed, correct?
How about still relying on pa2, hence allowing a snap release, hence obtaining the desired speed; but you also ADD on the pa3 release with acute pa3 angle even after pa2 has been released? Would this ADDING of pa3 release to the pa2 release detriment the swing such as clubhead speed.
The way I look at it now (I'm still a newbie to TGM), having more pa3 angle doesn't mean you reduce pa2 release (cock to uncock interval). Nobody or nothing can, as a matter of fact. Why? Because a person's cock to uncock interval is determined by his left wrist's physical makeup/anatomy, correct? So, I'm thinking still use pa2, but even upon full release of pa2, there would still be huge pa3 angle remaining by impact.
In short, simultaneous full release of both pa2 and pa3 right after transition, upon reaching early elbow plane. You think this is possible? Any experience hindsight on this?
Brianid.....do you have a copy of the golfing machine? If not, you can buy one from the golfing machine website at www.thegolfingmachine.com I suggest you read through and take in the pictures in ch. 6 it is necessary for you to understand all the power accumulators, their functions, sequencing and how they are related to swinging and hitting respectively. There are many more places to read up about acc 3 but I suggest you start at ch. 6. Better yet buy the yellow book and find an authorized instructor in your area. There are no shortcuts only more and more know how. Build a foundation of the sameness first before you worry about the differences. Btw alignment golf > position golf (p4,p7) etc in the golfing machine we refer to the stages of the swing with pre address, impact fix, adjusted address, startup backstroke, top, start down, downstroke, release, impact, follow through, finish
In short, simultaneous full release of both pa2 and pa3 right after transition, upon reaching early elbow plane. You think this is possible? Any experience hindsight on this?
The Simultaneous Release -- the straightening right elbow driving both the Left Wrist Motion (Uncocking) and Hand Motion (Rolling) -- is a Hitting procedure per 4-D-0 and 7-1. This Hitter's "overlapping" of Power Accumulators #2 and #3 increases Thrust, whereas the Swinger's non-overlapped "sequencing" increases Velocity (6-M-1). The simultaneous application of Power operates as "batteries in parallel" (versus the sequenced "staged rocket launch").
Brianid.....do you have a copy of the golfing machine? If not, you can buy one from the golfing machine website at www.thegolfingmachine.com I suggest you read through and take in the pictures in ch. 6 it is necessary for you to understand all the power accumulators, their functions, sequencing and how they are related to swinging and hitting respectively. There are many more places to read up about acc 3 but I suggest you start at ch. 6. Better yet buy the yellow book and find an authorized instructor in your area. There are no shortcuts only more and more know how. Build a foundation of the sameness first before you worry about the differences. Btw alignment golf > position golf (p4,p7) etc in the golfing machine we refer to the stages of the swing with pre address, impact fix, adjusted address, startup backstroke, top, start down, downstroke, release, impact, follow through, finish
Whip,
No, it will take me yeaeaeaears to figure that yellow book out. Reading and posting here is sooooooooo much better...
Is relying on pa3 with maximized pa3 angle (rotational power?) an accepted pattern in tgm? I mean, does tgm teach it for those strong enough to pedal that small gear with longer/wider arc (release/interval arc)? Is it discussed in the book?
The Simultaneous Release -- the straightening right elbow driving both the Left Wrist Motion (Uncocking) and Hand Motion (Rolling) -- is a Hitting procedure per 4-D-0 and 7-1. This Hitter's "overlapping" of Power Accumulators #2 and #3 increases Thrust, whereas the Swinger's non-overlapped "sequencing" increases Velocity (6-M-1). The simultaneous application of Power operates as "batteries in parallel" (versus the sequenced "staged rocket launch").
Mr. Yoda,
Thanks.
So, simultaneous release of pa2 and pa3 is inconsistent in a Swinging pattern? What if I maximize the pa3 angle, won't it be possible? I'm thinking, if I can find a way to do a start down that preserves pa2/lag AND gets the hands/arms into elbow plane immediately/early, all I have to do after start down, during the downstroke, is full release of pa3. I don't even have to think of releasing pa2, although in reality it's being released as well. But what's on my mind is pa3 only. In fact, I even think of keeping the pa2 unreleased, I mean, I try to prevent the left wrist from uncocking with the (1) bent right wrist, (2) focusing on pp1, and (3) keeping a flat and level left wrist during the release process. My reason for this is in order to have as much pa3 angle as possible at impact to maximize accuracy. Is this even possible? I've not perfected this, that's for sure, but I think this leads to better accuracy, and distance if you're strong enough. What do you call this pattern?
Reading and posting here is sooooooooo much better...
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