We pay mechanics to work on our cars because they have the tools space and most importantly the know-how. For those of us that have some tools have a garage and some free time those brave enough to work on their own cars without any or limited mechanical know how go to the auto parts store and obtain a manual for their vehicle, this manual guides the do It yourselfer through basic as well as advanced repair and maintenance. This does not make it easy and you will be stumped here and there but you will have a basis for your questions to ask other friends who maybe know more about cars. Complexity is much more workable than mystery and right now you are off track trying to guess what the yellow book might say when you could obtain one at a small cost
My reason for this is in order to have as much pa3 angle as possible at impact to maximize accuracy. Is this even possible? I've not perfected this, that's for sure, but I think this leads to better accuracy, and distance if you're strong enough. What do you call this pattern?
Your question really confuses me. Did you write vertical hinging but meant horizontal hinging? I thought I now understood that the hinge action - f.ex. in the basic motion - has a different RHYTHM depending on which hinge action you choose. Vertical Hinging is the shortest clubhead movement in the followthru - and horizontal the longest and angled in between. Or am I talking about something completely different here? I hope not!
Yes , I meant to say Horizontal not Vertical . Thanks Air.
Thanks. I'm interested in the swinging as the main pattern.
But you think it's possible to be a switter AND still rely mainly on pa3 as power source? I mean, no pa2 release at all. As a matter of fact, there's effort to inhibit release of pa2 in order to maintain the pa3 angle, which in turn improves accuracy. Pa1 release by p5.5? I think it's not possible to do simultaneously pa3 release via supination and pa1 release. But what do you think? If possible, how?
Respectfully.
You want to "maintain" the #3 angle INHERENT IN THE PLANE ANGLE YOU SELECT...that's it that's all...the release type...that's freakin' red meat filet mig-nawn of the golfing machine....you can't swing and hit at the same time...Homer was a PURE GENIUS on this....Hitting IS releasing #2 and #3 at the SAME TIME....SIMULTANEOUSLY...therefore the sweetspot does not lay on the plane as long...also HUGE implications on right arm participation....pitch with swinging ...punch with hitting...
You can do that left arm drill thingie with BOTH procedures...you'll note that the left thumb works differently in it's uncocking...with simultaneous...the left thumb uncocks more "out to the plane line earlier"...with swinging you are uncocking karate chop left palm facing the plane longer...
different faces...different procedures...note the elbow positions....the different locations of the right shoulder....fly wheeling vertical-ish right shoulder...vs...launching pad right shoulder higher working out to the plane line more...Homer was a dang genius...right arm participation is totally different.
Accuracy isn't not allowing #2 to go...that's some morad junk...overriding the pulley...dragging the buttcap to the wall...
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Yes , I meant to say Horizontal not Vertical . Thanks Air.
I know for a fact that O.B. Left understands the Hinge Actions and Rhythm. He learned it one-on-one with me and has demonstrated it to me (and others!) many times. However, I used his typo as an opportunity to 'fill in the blanks' for those new to our concepts.
Re-reading my post #14 above -- and substituting "Horizontal" for "Vertical" in O.B.'s post --I can see where his question arose. The writing wasn't as clear as it might have been. Only a guy with O.B.'s in depth understanding could have asked for clarification in my post as written.
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You want to "maintain" the #3 angle INHERENT IN THE PLANE ANGLE YOU SELECT...that's it that's all...the release type...that's freakin' red meat filet mig-nawn of the golfing machine....you can't swing and hit at the same time...Homer was a PURE GENIUS on this....Hitting IS releasing #2 and #3 at the SAME TIME....SIMULTANEOUSLY...therefore the sweetspot does not lay on the plane as long...also HUGE implications on right arm participation....pitch with swinging ...punch with hitting...
You can do that left arm drill thingie with BOTH procedures...you'll note that the left thumb works differently in it's uncocking...with simultaneous...the left thumb uncocks more "out to the plane line earlier"...with swinging you are uncocking karate chop left palm facing the plane longer...
different faces...different procedures...note the elbow positions....the different locations of the right shoulder....fly wheeling vertical-ish right shoulder...vs...launching pad right shoulder higher working out to the plane line more...Homer was a dang genius...right arm participation is totally different.
Accuracy isn't not allowing #2 to go...that's some morad junk...overriding the pulley...dragging the buttcap to the wall...
Hall of Fame post, Bucket. Rendered and illustrated, as usual, in your own inimitable style. I've been around many of the exalted gurus of the game, and nobody gets it more right than you. And, mano-o-mano . . .
Hall of Fame post, Bucket. Rendered and illustrated, as usual, in your own inimitable style. I've been around many of the exalted gurus of the game, and nobody gets it more right than you. And, mano-o-mano . . .
You're a hard dog to get off the porch!!
And you're still the faithful Cap'n....but really all you gotta do to get this sorry dawg of the porch is to throw a poke chop biscuit in the yard....bait a trap with the other white meat and you'll catch me ever' time?
We pay mechanics to work on our cars because they have the tools space and most importantly the know-how. For those of us that have some tools have a garage and some free time those brave enough to work on their own cars without any or limited mechanical know how go to the auto parts store and obtain a manual for their vehicle, this manual guides the do It yourselfer through basic as well as advanced repair and maintenance. This does not make it easy and you will be stumped here and there but you will have a basis for your questions to ask other friends who maybe know more about cars. Complexity is much more workable than mystery and right now you are off track trying to guess what the yellow book might say when you could obtain one at a small cost
Whip,
Thanks for the advise. It's well noted.
Any recommendation on the edition? I've read somewhere pa3-based pattern (rotational power) was almost eliminated in the later editions (7th Ed I think)? To make way or focus on pa2-based pattern--velocity power? Is this true?
Any recommendation on the edition? I've read somewhere pa3-based pattern (rotational power) was almost eliminated in the later editions (7th Ed I think)? To make way or focus on pa2-based pattern--velocity power? Is this true?
Respectfully.
The first three editions of The Golfing Machine offered "Sample" Stroke Patterns for Golf Strokes from Drive to Putt. The Power Accumulator combinations varied accordingly.
Beginning with the 4th edition, these were eliminated and replaced with the two "Basic" Stroke Patterns (Hitting / 12-1-0 and Swinging / 12-2-0). Homer then advised that these two Basic Patterns be customized by the player as deemed necessary for the Stroke at hand.
You want to "maintain" the #3 angle INHERENT IN THE PLANE ANGLE YOU SELECT...that's it that's all...the release type...that's freakin' red meat filet mig-nawn of the golfing machine....you can't swing and hit at the same time...Homer was a PURE GENIUS on this....Hitting IS releasing #2 and #3 at the SAME TIME....SIMULTANEOUSLY...therefore the sweetspot does not lay on the plane as long...also HUGE implications on right arm participation....pitch with swinging ...punch with hitting...
You can do that left arm drill thingie with BOTH procedures...you'll note that the left thumb works differently in it's uncocking...with simultaneous...the left thumb uncocks more "out to the plane line earlier"...with swinging you are uncocking karate chop left palm facing the plane longer...
different faces...different procedures...note the elbow positions....the different locations of the right shoulder....fly wheeling vertical-ish right shoulder...vs...launching pad right shoulder higher working out to the plane line more...Homer was a dang genius...right arm participation is totally different.
Accuracy isn't not allowing #2 to go...that's some morad junk...overriding the pulley...dragging the buttcap to the wall...
Bucket,
Thanks on your usual great reply.
Re accuracy by keeping pa2 unreleased, I didn't mean it that way. My INTENTION is to do something with pp1 and keep bent right wrist, but I know that won't happen when the throwout happens because the pa2 will inevitably release. But I'm still doing the pp1/bent right wrist thing (and level left wrist by the way) more to avoid or prevent the pa2 release/velocity to uncock the left wrist greater than it's level state; hence I was able to "maintain" the minimum pa3 angle AFTER pa2 release. And yeah, I have to "pair" this minimum angle post-pa2-release to the plane line. Thanks, excellent. So if I desire the elbow plane, I'll have to adjust the pa3 angle to it, right?
So I guess, it's still swinging, with 4-2-3 as the pattern? With this desired pattern of mine, you think my quest for accuracy first, distance later (when I get stronger) is MISPLACED? You think in this preferred pattern of mine (pa3 angle based), which would you recommend, swinging or hitting? Hitting is tempting me, just because of the distance advantage of right arm thrust. But can it trump out the rotation aspect contributing much to clubhead speed inherent in a swinging pattern?
Re maintaining pa2 unreleased, I agree. But what's your thoughts on having and keeping as large pa3 angle as possible post-release of pa2 in accuracy perspective? Well, distance perspective as well?
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