Isolate your front hand directly over the ball with a vertical left wrist about 45 degrees to the target line and RFT a little to a lot to see the variety of shots and outcomes of this dependable method.
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Now that the vertical left wrist has saved my short game, time to employ it fully in my tee and iron shots with a lighter, stronger frame having lost 10 + lbs and having more energy!
My right elbow has dropped due to non-level left wrist! ugh! My grip is wrong and I have still shot 6 rounds in the 70's this summer or 80!
Mid body hands, club under left heel level left wrist. March! Ohhh baby! Where are my clubs!?
Thanks Lynn!
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Now that the vertical left wrist has saved my short game, time to employ it fully in my tee and iron shots with a lighter, stronger frame having lost 10 + lbs and having more energy!
My right elbow has dropped due to non-level left wrist! ugh! My grip is wrong and I have still shot 6 rounds in the 70's this summer or 80!
Mid body hands, club under left heel level left wrist. March! Ohhh baby! Where are my clubs!?
Thanks Lynn!
When I met with Lynn almost 18 months ago, I was convinced of the truth of TGM but it takes me time to trust people as it might take time for others in the same fashion. I was also going through a divorce but happily I had spent time with two fine members of these forums (Jerry G. and Kevin Carter) and met two other members briefly the previous summer.
Lynn is the TRUTH as a nice human being and a wonderful teacher, but it was hard for me with my artificial hip, metal rod, and divorce to really focus on all he was telling me.
He changed my grip, got me marching, listened to me spout TGM materials as if I knew when I really did not, and smiled and said "Ok, Patrick."
He hit me with the kitchen sink!
Today, 18 months later, I put it almost all together. I had a sand save and missed one for a bogie. I crushed several drives of 250 yards even in the rain, and I calmly chipped 5 or 6 chip shots close enough to the pin for certain pars and birdies. I am not used to playing a baby draw so the first couple of holes caused me some problems as I was shooting for the middle of greens instead of the right edge. But once I trusted it, the baby draw yielded lots of birdie chances which our newly aerated greens sometimes blocked off.
I also crushed some wedges with the Horizontal Hinge that flew over the green but I am very happy to have that problem. I have thrown away the Angle Hinge for now, until I can figure out how to be a manipulated hands swinger.
Thanks Lynn! Perhaps this Spring I can bother you some more!
ICT
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 09-03-2012 at 10:59 PM.
When I met with Lynn almost 18 months ago, I was convinced of the truth of TGM but it takes me time to trust people as it might take time for others in the same fashion. I was also going through a divorce but happily I had spent time with two fine members of these forums (Jerry G. and Kevin Carter) and met two other members briefly the previous summer.
Lynn is the TRUTH as a nice human being and a wonderful teacher, but it was hard for me with my artificial hip, metal rod, and divorce to really focus on all he was telling me.
He changed my grip, got me marching, listened to me spout TGM materials as if I knew when I really did not, and smiled and said "Ok, Patrick."
He hit me with the kitchen sink!
Today, 18 months later, I put it almost all together. I had a sand save and missed one for a bogie. I crushed several drives of 250 yards even in the rain, and I calmly chipped 5 or 6 chip shots close enough to the pin for certain pars and birdies. I am not used to playing a baby draw so the first couple of holes caused me some problems as I was shooting for the middle of greens instead of the right edge. But once I trusted it, the baby draw yielded lots of birdie chances which our newly aerated greens sometimes blocked off.
I also crushed some wedges with the Horizontal Hinge that flew over the green but I am very happy to have that problem. I have thrown away the Angle Hinge for now, until I can figure out how to be a manipulated hands swinger.
Thanks Lynn! Perhaps this Spring I can bother you some more!
ICT
10-2-D grip magic! It sure is nice to know when you Pivot
that your strong grip and Finish Swivel, will release the Vertically Un-cocking/cocking left wrist down the plane! When you get the exact ball positions, you can dial in a draw or straight shot or fade with a real nice trajectory.
Amazing how much Down there is in the forward pivot and how close the club comes to my body in a well-struck ball.
Amazing how well my 20 year old Hogan Edges perform with a Finish Swivel anticipated, as well as the rest of my clubs. That INNER QUADRANT MAKES THAT BALL FLY STRAIGHT AND TRUE!
Thanks Lynn, again!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
10-2-D grip magic! It sure is nice to know when you Pivot
that your strong grip and Finish Swivel, will release the Vertically Un-cocking/cocking left wrist down the plane! When you get the exact ball positions, you can dial in a draw or straight shot or fade with a real nice trajectory.
Amazing how much Down there is in the forward pivot and how close the club comes to my body in a well-struck ball.
Amazing how well my 20 year old Hogan Edges perform with a Finish Swivel anticipated, as well as the rest of my clubs. That INNER QUADRANT MAKES THAT BALL FLY STRAIGHT AND TRUE!
Thanks Lynn, again!
ICT
The Plane Truth!!!
Off Plane- 48
On Plane-42-4 birdie chances within 15 feet
Played a round today and forgot about the Plane for 10 holes! Then I started firing my right forearm at the plane line! Woo Hoo!
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Address. Bobby's address is a three-step routine to set up the inclined plane for clubshaft guidance, the knee and waist bend needed to hold the head still, a palms together grip with the left wrist flat (not bent either way), level (neither cocked or uncocked), and vertical (to the ground, not rotated), and to rehearse all the selected relationships and alignments including a through the ball plane line (base edge of plane), and the waggle to establish clubhead feel against the first joint of the right forefinger. This is not a clubshaft "feel" but the sensing of the longitudinal center of gravity (sweet spot plane of rotation). That pressure point is used like the lens of a flashlight strapped to the right forearm to shine its light along the plane line during takeaway and release. The left hand is not held square to the target line but closes (like a door) for true rhythmic power generation.
Start Down. It is recommended that the hip turn be preceded by a hip slide parallel to the plane line so body power (the coiled left side) then can pull the butt of the clubshaft and the right shoulder toward the plane line before the pivot can turn itself too far inside the plane line and have to stretch unnecessarily to reach the ball. This also disrupts the pivot component release sequence necessary for this swinging procedure of longitudinal acceleration of the clubhead which duplicates the process of pulling an arrow from a quiver which motion is to be maintained until the release swiches ends with adjustable rapidity. The knees passing through the sit down position maintains the left side assignment of turning the body to generate centrifugal force. Power package muscle power (right triceps thrust) can make a miniscule contribution and only with great effort during a swing procedure.
(no matter that he calls this "New Horizons," it has been around a long time and was taught to me by Lynn!)
So simple when you know how!
ICT
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 09-26-2012 at 11:26 PM.
Originally Posted by rogerdodger
When driving the right shoulder down plane, what does the right hip do? If the right hip moves out towards the ball, I hit shanks, fat shots and cannot compress the ball at all. Keeping the hip back works well if I drve the right shoulder down plane. Question, does the right hip move towards the ball at all in a proper swinging procedure or does it only turn behind the toe line? Has anyone else thought about this?
ditto for me on the right hip; if it goes out, bad things happen. Besides the shank, the worst is the well-compressed, very long pull shot that is off the planet.
When Ted worked with me on this in April, I had to feel like my hips were frozen on the downswing. Clear the hip going back, then a little lateral slide/bump to start things down, but that's it. The problem isn't gone by any means...it's been a tough one for me, but these few things have helped me the most...
1) tracing
2) pulling the butt-end of the club straight to/through the ball - try it without thinking about or moving your hips...let them be moved instead.
3) feel/sense my right elbow, still bent, brush in front of my right hip on the downswing (clearing the right hip). This one helped me really start to see #2
4) balance - especially paying attention to sensing where my weight is via my feet. If my weight gets at all towards the toes of my right foot on the backswing, I'm dead.
Still, my tendency is to fire my hips through pretty quick. On the latest video I shot, my right hip had moved quite a bit before impact, but if I do those things above, it stays out of the way - more of a "turn behind the toe line" like you mentioned. That, however, is a result of what I'm trying to accomplish w/ that list above vs. a conscious swing thought about my hip(s).
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Originally Posted by rogerdodger
When driving the right shoulder down plane, what does the right hip do? If the right hip moves out towards the ball, I hit shanks, fat shots and cannot compress the ball at all. Keeping the hip back works well if I drve the right shoulder down plane. Question, does the right hip move towards the ball at all in a proper swinging procedure or does it only turn behind the toe line? Has anyone else thought about this?
ditto for me on the right hip; if it goes out, bad things happen. Besides the shank, the worst is the well-compressed, very long pull shot that is off the planet.
When Ted worked with me on this in April, I had to feel like my hips were frozen on the downswing. Clear the hip going back, then a little lateral slide/bump to start things down, but that's it. The problem isn't gone by any means...it's been a tough one for me, but these few things have helped me the most...
1) tracing
2) pulling the butt-end of the club straight to/through the ball - try it without thinking about or moving your hips...let them be moved instead.
3) feel/sense my right elbow, still bent, brush in front of my right hip on the downswing (clearing the right hip). This one helped me really start to see #2
4) balance - especially paying attention to sensing where my weight is via my feet. If my weight gets at all towards the toes of my right foot on the backswing, I'm dead.
Still, my tendency is to fire my hips through pretty quick. On the latest video I shot, my right hip had moved quite a bit before impact, but if I do those things above, it stays out of the way - more of a "turn behind the toe line" like you mentioned. That, however, is a result of what I'm trying to accomplish w/ that list above vs. a conscious swing thought about my hip(s).
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Lynn's 10-2- D grip, Mid- body hands, Extensor Action, Drag to the top, Drag the mop down 78-79 best scores. Produces dependable draws.
or
Angle Hinge Impact Fix-push left hand to shoulder (flat left wrist, no rolling) or RFT, slight front shoulder reverse, drag one piece paddle wheel with firm bent right wrist through and underneath a stationary head. 76-77 best scores produces dependable fades.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Lynn's 10-2- D grip, Mid- body hands, Extensor Action, Drag to the top, Drag the mop down 78-79 best scores. Produces dependable draws.
or
Angle Hinge Impact Fix-push left hand to shoulder (flat left wrist, no rolling) or RFT, slight front shoulder reverse, drag one piece paddle wheel with firm bent right wrist through and underneath a stationary head. 76-77 best scores produces dependable fades.
Should the golfer be looking at the aiming point, or the inside-aft quadrant of the ball when they swing?
Good question.
In The Golfing Machine, the Three Stations are the Address (8-01/2/3), the Top (8-6) and the Finish (8-12) The goal is to be as preparedas possible before Start-Up, as precise as possible through the Topand as smooth and complete as possible through Impact to the properposition at the Finish.
Note that Impact (8-10) does not enjoy the rank of a Station. It simply"gets in the way" of your Delivered Clubhead. And you use theThree Zones (Chapter 9) to train your Machine to operate without interferencefrom either Club or Ball. In Zone #1 (Body / 9-1), for example, youlearn your Pivot motion without the Arms and Club to avoid awkward"hitches." In Zones #2 (Arms / 9-2) and #3 (Hands / 9-3) you learnto make their Motions without a Ball to avoid Throwaway (4-D-1) andSteering(3-F-7-A). So, once you've established your Impact Fix alignments(2-J-1) -- this is where you nail that inside-aft quadrant! -- the Ball becomesirrelevant. It could be there. Or not be there. Practice Stroke (3-F-5-1)or for real (12-5-3).
Once you've determined your Fix alignments, the Aiming Point (6-E-2)replaces the Ball. You now direct the Lag Loading (7-19) of the #3 PressurePoint at the Aiming Point as if it were the Ball. This Aiming Pointcan only be determined by experience (Practice!) only. And you will need tolearn how to direct your Thrust precisely at that point once you've learnedwhere it is.
The way to do that is explained in 6-E-2-1. At the Top, you mentally constructa line from the first joint of your Right Forefinger (#3 Pressure Point /6-C-1-3) to the Aiming Point. This becomes your Delivery Path (10-23-A or10-23-C). Practicing in slow motion -- first without a Club; then with a Clubbut no Ball -- you let a careful Downstroke Pivot (On-Plane Right Shoulder /10-13-D) deliver the Lag Pressure Loading (7-19) strongly down the StraightLine Delivery Path (of the Hands). In real time, the Club is driven stronglydownward, smashing through the Ball, through the Aiming Pointto the Low Point to the Both Arms Straight Position(Follow-Through / 8-11) from which you Swivel into your Finish.
The big idea -- if you haven't noticed! -- is "Down." StraightDown through the Aiming Point. Straight Down to the LowPoint of the Stroke. Only then, per 1-L 13/14/15, does the Club begin theUpward portion of its Orbit, and even then the Thrust continues Down Planeuntil the end of the Follow-Through (8-11).
Homer told me one time that very few golfers actually go all the way down.Almost all reach the Ball and begin their upward Motion before the LowPoint is reached. "Even Tour players," he said.
"They almost all come up, and I'm really kind of surprised when I seethem still take a divot."
I asked him for the name of a player who did go all the way down.
"Trevino," he said with a lowered voice and a growl.
"I like that guy. He hits a wedge, and you've got to help himget the club out of the ground!"
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As I understand this, Impact Fix puts the right shoulder on plane, so then the issue is smashing through the Aim Point/Inner Quadrant.
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 09-29-2012 at 06:09 PM.
Yoda: I have been watching a lot of footage of Traveno after reading this post. I have noticed that at impact he has a very very low trail shoulder relative to other top players. This must mean that the trail arm is also more bent at impact and there would also be more right wrist bend at the same point. Also the super low trail shoulder would lend it self to a more pitch trail elbow at impact as the trail shoulder is closer to the target. The low trail shoulder must also have an effect on the vectors of the trail arm extensor action also. Both as the point of resistance for the right arm extensor action is lower so I would think the force would be more down and THROUGH than down and as the arm is more bent there is more extensor action to put on the ball .
Is the super low trail shoulder at impact the reason that Trevino " went all the way down" and was so good through the ball? What are your thoughts on the points I raise? Thanks.
Yes, the Trevino Right Shoulder Motion through Impact is an extremelyimportant study. Per 7-13, the Right Shoulder must not only stay 'back,'but also down -- down On Plane. Otherwise, you will 'run out of Right Arm'through Impact. In other words, the Right Arm will act as a 'chain' on yourLeft and it simply cannot go through. And so no matter how much you know aboutthe Flat Left Wrist, it cannot be maintained under this circumstance, andso...it Bends! And the Shot -- and perhaps the match -- is lost.
The place to program this move is at Impact Fix (8-2 and 7-8 ). Bypre-positioning your Right Shoulder 'down On Plane,' say almost directlyopposite the Ball -- probably much lower than your presently feel -- youwill be able to extend through the Ball much further until you reach the BothArms Straight Position at the end of the Follow-Through (8-11). When youreturn to Adjusted Address from this position you will notice that you have a'lot of right arm' -- it is quite bent, even with applied extensor action --and that means that as your Right Shoulder turns through the Ball in this muchfarther way -- "chasing it" as Nick Price likes to say -- then theLeft Arm with its Flat Left Wrist can fly through Impact unimpeded by the'chain' of the Straightened Right Arm caused by the too high RightShoulder.
The reverse of this Impact Fix position would be when you prepare for a 6-inchputt. This Stroke -- as in All Strokes -- must be taken to the Both ArmsStraight Position at the end of the Follow-Through. What to do with such ashort Stroke? You pre-position your Follow-Through for the Both ArmsStraight Position almost immediately following Impact. Now your Right Shoulderwill be much higher than the pre-positioning described above. As a result,you'll have a nice firm 'no Quitting (3-F-7-B) Downstroke to the end of yourFollow-Through and your putt will rattle the hole.
By the way, for those who suffer from 'double hit' putts, this last advice isthe solution.
Stay with this idea, Hue. It is really, really key.
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Lynn's 10-2- D grip, Mid- body hands, Extensor Action, Drag to the top, Drag the mop down 78-79 best scores. Produces dependable draws.
or
Angle Hinge Impact Fix-push left hand to shoulder (flat left wrist, no rolling) or RFT, slight front shoulder reverse, drag one piece paddle wheel with firm bent right wrist through and underneath a stationary head. 76-77 best scores produces dependable fades.
ICT
Which procedure feels like "yours" ? Which one gives the fewest "bad days" ?
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