Can you imagine the people who are now saying there is no such thing as swing plane? I don't know how anyone could do a good job of teaching real world golf swing without it...
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
After spending such a long period of time NOT being on Plane, I will never accept a concept as no such thing as swing plane. If anyone can channel Mr. Hogan, please ask. I suspect the answer would be short.
He said thanks for thinking of him and that although his plane theory was a pretty good start, you can thank hk for completing the concept. There are two distinct planes. The plane of the left wrist cock and the plane of the right wrist bend. You can swing on one or the other, switch from one to the other, or swing on both simultaneously.
.......... There are two distinct planes. The plane of the left wrist cock and the plane of the right wrist bend. You can swing one one or the other, switch from one to the other, or swing on both simultaneously.
Because this is your thread I will do three thoughts I have.
1. What does this do to "your"/my computer- (your original did say CONCENTRATION). It "has been said" , "Never move a club without the your proper grip, stance, and alignments."
2. The seperate functions of the two hands difficult with one. I will not try a list here.
3. It may be as good/fun to practice bouncing and catching a ball on the face of a wedge.
HB
ps. On the other hand- I, myself, like to experiment and take short-cuts, Sooo.
Last edited by HungryBear : 11-24-2012 at 10:03 AM.
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Thanks OB,but I located it.........very similar to Macdonalds drill,I believe Lynn likes Macs drills and uses them....thanks
Long answer coming ..... starbucks is kicking in on a Saturday non golf morning.
Re the Wild Bill Melhourne drill.
Its a continuos motion , back and through. Brushing the ground in both directions, three quarter swing , short iron or wedge . Start in tall grass as if you were scything grass with an old fashioned grass scythe ... forget golf . Forget the golf swing. Just let it go , cutting the grass in both directions. Lag and Drag in both directions. Let your body adapt to its natural motion. The motion you would employ if you needed to cut grass all day long. This is the golf motion too! Not that thing we all cook up out of desperation. Then do it on turf . Brush in both directions, Then with a ball.
Dont let the ball screw with your head , dont start Steering again, dont go back to your former golf swing. Try to brush brush brush in both directions and then without stopping without changing anything just walk over to the single ball and let the ball get in the way of your continuous motion.
Keep at it until it happens . What happens you may ask ? One pure , sweetspot on ball connection. Its an eye opener. You will associate Lag and Drag in both directions with pure , sweet contact . You will see how "the motion makes the shot", "the ball gets in the way of the sweetspots orbit ". That impact is not a Station etc etc .
Then line up some balls along the ground and brush , brush brush in both directions while walking and and striking the balls, continuos motion . Just try to brush the ground , dont try to hit the ball .... the ball just gets in the way.
This is the Wild Bill Melhourne Drill. Something I think Hogan was alluding to on his Ed Sullivan show appearance . Something he sorta kinda described in 5 Lessons I believe. There's footage of Fred Astaire dancing and golfing a line of balls from an old movie. He is very clearly Melhourning a line of golf balls . Must of had some lessons from Wild Bill Id imagine. Hogan did.
A lesson from Lynn will have you doing this drill . This is MOTION. The McDonald drills are also all about MOTION. If you build this motion upon a foundation of Homers Alignments you will have Alignments in Motion. Just like Hogan but dug out of the dirt by you. It takes re training for us hacks. The reason we are hacks , is that we "hack" or swing at the ball. Its an easy thing to fall into , even for the best . It has been said that Hogan did a Melhourne like drill in the locker room prior to heading out to the practice ground. Its one heck of a way to warm up.
Brush , brush , brush. The ball just gets in the way. What is it Homer said about impact when he was discussing the Three Stations... "make no adjustment for impact " or something like that. His revelation when wacking weeds in his yard with a golf club relates to this business. His concept of Steering.
McDonald drills are great , dont underestimate them as is very easy to do. Especially for the more accomplished golfer . McDonald himself said exactly that in his book. McDonald drills with a Wild Bill line of balls and HOmers alignments will open you to a new world. Those alignments while critical are often manipulated in a wooden manner ..... dont do that! That's not what Lynn teaches. That not how Lynn teaches. Thats not how the game is played at its highest level. See Hogan , Rory! Alignments in motion with a Top and a Finish and Lag and Drag in both directions.
Now to your on plane motion notion. This motion creates the sweetspot orbit , not vice versa . Is it a single plane of motion? Probably not . Is there a big shift either up or down ? Ideally not but you have options. Certainly Hogans shift while easy to see wasnt that big in terms of degrees really when viewed from down the line. Does Lynn teach with Plane devices? Ive never seen one personally. Perhaps that would interrupt motion....... Now if you were way off plane , that would require a mechanical correction. Some detection and correction. Over swivelling in startup or finish .. say . Horizontal left hand motion etc. Those things fall under the Alignments category.
Interestingly .... Ive found good motion does tend to promote good alignments. If you lose it on the course and dont know why..... stick to motion, hit your finish like Rory , stay in balance , do some McDonald drills and wait till you get back to the range to fix your mechanical problem ... See your pga pro!
..... starbucks is kicking in on a Saturday non golf morning.
Swinging the Clubhead? Switch to Orange juice.
I agree that many of the Macdonalds drills promote good actions. This Drill isn't one of them. Swinging the Clubhead is treating the Golf Swing as a Pendulum System. The Golf Swing is a Lever System. The Backstroke and Downstroke are very different.
Common conceptual problem here as the word "plane" is being used to describe three different alignments , direction or planes of motion. The plane of the left wrist cock , (the left arm flying wedge) and the plane of the right wrist bend (the plane of right forearm flying wedge) are different than the plane of the sweetspot orbit (the inclined Plane).
Thats ok, sorta like being in a room , with floor , walls and ceiling. They are all Planes. They have structural alignments too. In golf the flying wedges with their respective planes are in motion but maintain their mechanical , structural alignments .
First time I saw Lynn hit some balls in person I was amazed. I was near scratch at the time but I wanted what he had. At lunch after much discussion , most of which I didnt understand I finally just asked him in common speak ; "Whats different about your swing ? How do you make that sound at impact". He replied mid hamburger, head down ......."Its just mechanical, structural ALIGNMENTS". Chomp , chomp.
Thats when I decided I had to read the damnable yellow book. I had to understand it to understand Lynn and his swing. And so I entered the riddle within a riddle world of Homer. Where no two people understand it in the same way. Its been a great journey .
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