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A Shut-and-Open Case
Originally Posted by okie
I got into it with a club pro about whether or not an arched/bent left wrist opens/closes, the face of the club. I was unconvincing! I remembered this thread and vjapron's contention that at the top of the swing an arched wrist is in fact causing a shut face etc. Does anyone know for sure? I tend towards an arched lag-insured left wrist at the top I can also clear the left side of the course with the best of them! This would be good to know. Okie out.
Do this experiement:
Hold the club in the left hand only and extend your arm (with the clubshaft in-line) directly in front of you (and opposite the left shoulder) until the shaft is parallel to the ground. Now, BEND you left wrist (so that the shaft moves horizontally to your left and out-of-line with the left arm). Maintaining this alignment, put the club down on the ground, and take a look at the clubface: It's CLOSED, right? That is, it looks left of the target line.
Now, again assuming the starting position as described above, ARCH your left wrist (so that the shaft moves horizontally to your right), then set the club down. The clubface is now OPEN, right? That is, it looks right of the target line.
So, until they make Inclined Planes different from Horizontal Planes, it's . . .
End of story!
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I get it and will fire my hands and "release" the club as Yoda instructed with gusto!
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 01-24-2013 at 03:47 PM.
It is my belief that there are common traits of letting the hands be thrown at the ball at speed, not throwaway, between the Swings of Mike Austin, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead, Byron Nelson and Homer Kelly's clear thinking and instruction passed on by our friend Lynn Blake and others! I'm sorry Lynn, this took me so long to figure out, though you showed it to me over two years ago!
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 01-27-2013 at 11:29 PM.
At the range for 48 degrees and fog to hit a basket and working on bucket drills and stepping left. By keeping my head stationary, the Impact Fix Bent Right Wrist/Flat Left Wrist combo are thrown at the ball with power through the Both Arms Straight position.
Hitting the center of the ball produces a dependable fade and the inside quadrant produces about an extra club's length and a very straight to slight draw result.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
At the range for 48 degrees and fog to hit a basket and working on bucket drills and stepping left. By keeping my head stationary, the Impact Fix Bent Right Wrist/Flat Left Wrist combo are thrown at the ball with power through the Both Arms Straight position.
Hitting the center of the ball produces a dependable fade and the inside quadrant produces about an extra club's length and a very straight to slight draw result.
I'm trying to understand the power of PP # 4, the left arm against the torso, Tonight, before the current deluge of rain and while it was still 65 degrees outside, I RFT'd to my top, on a very flat plane and then slowly moved my right heel off the ground pointing my knee to first 10 o'clock then to 12 o'clock (straight ahead), In both cases, the slower I pointed my knee, the more snapping power the club face imparted to the ball and the more consistency of the shot.
What a joy to hit through Both Arms Straight at will! Bringing the knee to 12 o'clock, for me, yields a straight ball with a slight fade. My head is perfectly stable and it feels like I take all day to strike the ball! It is a wildly strong strike but I finish in perfect balance! The 10 o'clock knee position yields a dead pull. I can modify these strikes with ball position and face opening /closing but I am amazed at how much power the right hip slowly generates as it pushes/pulls the Power Package until the left arm snaps and the wedges really fire through!
I can't wait to start adding some lead tape to several clubs to see the resulting effect the increased mass will add to my shots. I soon will try the heaviest clubs I can get at Golf Galaxy and the highest swing weights to see if I can add some yards to my shots.
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 01-31-2013 at 02:16 PM.
I can't wait to start adding some lead tape to several clubs to see the resulting effect the increased mass will add to my shots. I soon will try the heaviest clubs I can get at Golf Galaxy and the highest swing weights to see if I can add some yards to my shots.
I'm trying to understand the power of PP # 4, the left arm against the torso, Tonight, before the current deluge of rain and while it was still 65 degrees outside, I RFT'd to my top, on a very flat plane and then slowly moved my right heel off the ground pointing my knee to first 10 o'clock then to 12 o'clock (straight ahead), In both cases, the slower I pointed my knee, the more snapping power the club face imparted to the ball and the more consistency of the shot.
What a joy to hit through Both Arms Straight at will! Bringing the knee to 12 o'clock, for me, yields a straight ball with a slight fade. My head is perfectly stable and it feels like I take all day to strike the ball! It is a wildly strong strike but I finish in perfect balance! The 10 o'clock knee position yields a dead pull. I can modify these strikes with ball position and face opening /closing but I am amazed at how much power the right hip slowly generates as it pushes/pulls the Power Package until the left arm snaps and the wedges really fire through!
I can't wait to start adding some lead tape to several clubs to see the resulting effect the increased mass will add to my shots. I soon will try the heaviest clubs I can get at Golf Galaxy and the highest swing weights to see if I can add some yards to my shots.
What I am calling a "snap release" may not be a TGM SNAP RELEASE. I'm not sure and I can always learn new stuff.
What I am referring to is the slow movement of my right heel and knee towards the inner quadrant of the ball, maintaining my balance and suddenly having my Extensor Action- laden club shoot down-plane pulverizing the ball in a very repeatable pattern of flight. My finish is a very balanced, best seat in the house,Full Swivel with an "Arrow through the ears," position.
I set up with an Impact Fix position with my head actually creeping forward almost directly over the ball AND STAYING THERE! I then RFT feeling the arms stretch and move the right knee slowly keeping my head stationary which causes the club to SNAP through the ball with a "crack," unless I am hitting irons.
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Stationary Head Primer
Originally Posted by MJCB
Please could someone recomend some drills to stop the head moving backwards away form the target during the downstroke. I have been hitting balls with a straw in my mouth to monitor the head position. On video if the head stays relatively still I tend to lose my height through impact. Any help would be appreciated.
MB,
Moving the Head backwards during the Downstroke is a Sway (the Fourth Snare 3-F-7-D), and it is the product of a malfunctioning Pivot. Before diving into work on that problem, though, make sure your head is set properly to begin with.
Do you set your Head position first at Impact Fix, and then attempt to keep it Stationary? Or do you, like most people, start with your Head in an Adjusted Address position that ignores a proper Impact Fix position (and therefore cannot possibly be maintained through Impact)? My guess is the latter.
So, what is a good Head position at Impact Fix?
First, a plumb line from your chin to the ground should fall precisely between your Feet. Your Head should form the tip of an isosceles triangle whose base is the Feet. Most people hang back -- probably in response to instruction that emphasizes that the Head should be 'behind the Ball' and even 'over the right knee.' Consequently, their Head and Feet form a right triangle.
Second, the Head should be located a good deal lower than most people's 'normal' Address position. The exact position will be dictated by the amount of Knee Bend and Waist Bend. In turn, these are determined by the distance the Hips must move to enable the Right Forearm to return precisely to its pre-selected Impact Fix Angle of Approach (pointing at the Plane Line well in front of the Ball).
Bottom Line: Most people -- even good players -- move their Head entirely too much during the Stroke. And one of the primary reasons is that they have failed to set it properly in the first place.
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I have made lots of mistakes by hanging my head too far back but now know that Impact Fix is a set of related body, head, arms and hands positions. The above observation by Yoda explains to me why I cannot drive my right knee to a 10 o'clock since it causes my head to "lean back" given my front leg irregularities, artificial hip and the heartbreak of Psoriasis. I hit a straighter baby fade with more power because I do not run out of right arm and hit an Angle Hinge through the ball. I am working on a Horizontal Hinge.
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The right knee driving through both arms straight!
Originally Posted by innercityteacher
What I am calling a "snap release" may not be a TGM SNAP RELEASE. I'm not sure and I can always learn new stuff.
What I am referring to is the slow movement of my right heel and knee towards the inner quadrant of the ball, maintaining my balance and suddenly having my Extensor Action- laden club shoot down-plane pulverizing the ball in a very repeatable pattern of flight. My finish is a very balanced, best seat in the house,Full Swivel with an "Arrow through the ears," position.
I set up with an Impact Fix position with my head actually creeping forward almost directly over the ball AND STAYING THERE! I then RFT feeling the arms stretch and move the right knee slowly keeping my head stationary which causes the club to SNAP through the ball with a "crack," unless I am hitting irons.
I have made lots of mistakes by hanging my head too far back but now know that Impact Fix is a set of related body, head, arms and hands positions. The above observation by Yoda explains to me why I cannot drive my right knee to a 10 o'clock since it causes my head to "lean back" given my front leg irregularities, artificial hip and the heartbreak of Psoriasis. I hit a straighter baby fade with more power because I do not run out of right arm and hit an Angle Hinge through the ball. I am working on a Horizontal Hinge.
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As with Hogan's right knee move - when you take the 'slack' out, you have in a very real way "lengthened" the lever - in fact at both arms straight I can often literally feel the 'full line' of the train - from my right foot, all the way through my body, to impact. Supporting impact along the 'entire' train. A good drill is to move from impact fix to the finish with 'high hands' - trying to get your hands as far away from your right ankle as you can, such that you have a bit of 'Saturday Night Fever' - a diagonal line from your hands to your right ankle.
Choo, chooo...... all aboard! Drive that train - from the ground up, just like a pitcher does.
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Impact Fix is the beginning of great things for a golfer. So, it's logical to think the correctly done Impact Fix could be enhanced. It is called Hogan's Waggle where the right elbow is pulled to the right hip setting up the Right Forearm Angle of Approach and bowing the Flat Left Wrist making it even well, flatter. Also, pulling the right elbow to the right hip aligns the left elbow with the left hip. If I keep it there, yes, as Yoda showed me years ago ("let's see a little more of that left forearm at Mid-Body Hands Patrick!"), my hand alignment allow for maintaining the Line of Compression and maximize my Pivot. Does pulling my right elbow to my right qualify as a type of RFT if I use the move to start the Pivot?
I was reminded about all this as I tried Martin Chuck's "Tour Striker Educator." His device and DVD showed me how to do the alignments Yoda and Daryl had spoken about with a feeling of repeatability and consistency.
My Pivot feels very short and the ball flies very high and far with a draw that does not cross the target line unless I want it to. My chronic "chicken wing" formed by years of want to be Moe Norman (in some ways) was effectively replaced with connected rotation and a solid line of compression in balance.
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 02-02-2013 at 10:47 AM.
Now, for those reading this, please remember that Yoda worked very hard with me for four 1/2 days about a month after a horrific episode in my life and emotionally and physically I was a wreck. ( The trip was paid for and tickets in hand so I went.) Yoda was showing me that life could go on and really helping me in an awesomely positive way much deeper than golf but using golf. Everything that now works in golf for me, plus a great deal of mental relief and enjoyment has come about through Lynn and this forum.
I would not understand the definition of "what works" without Lynn and my co-participants here , given my physical imperfections and years of confusing advice. There would be no value in Martin Chuck's observations, without Lynn working with me. He would simply be another voice in the crowd of dodgy people giving half-baked advice, unlike Lynn explaining TGM.
Thanks Lynn and LBG !
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 02-02-2013 at 12:43 PM.
One of my new fav videos esp. 2 min+
Bringing the knee to 12 o'clock, for me, yields a straight ball with a slight fade. My head is perfectly stable and it feels like I take all day to strike the ball! It is a wildly strong strike but I finish in perfect balance! The 10 o'clock knee position yields a dead pull. I can modify these strikes with ball position and face opening /closing but I am amazed at how much power the right hip slowly generates as it pushes/pulls the Power Package until the left arm snaps and the wedges really fire through!
I hit a straighter baby fade with more power because I do not run out of right arm and hit an Angle Hinge through the ball. I am working on a Horizontal Hinge.
Yoda was showing me that life could go on and really helping me in an awesomely positive way much deeper than golf but using golf. Everything that now works in golf for me, plus a great deal of mental relief and enjoyment has come about through Lynn and this forum. 
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